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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

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    chuck said:

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    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
    So he crushed 5/17 of his hits in that hot streak and has two more a hair over 100mph. The rest were slaps.
    You're counting balls hit over 100 mph as slaps? Seriously?

    Well in that case sure, he's a slap hitter.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
    So he crushed 5/17 of his hits in that hot streak and has two more a hair over 100mph. The rest were slaps.
    You're counting balls hit over 100 mph as slaps? Seriously?

    Well in that case sure, he's a slap hitter.
    Count em. 5 well over 100. Two more just over 100. Exactly as I said.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
    So he crushed 5/17 of his hits in that hot streak and has two more a hair over 100mph. The rest were slaps.
    You're counting balls hit over 100 mph as slaps? Seriously?

    Well in that case sure, he's a slap hitter.
    Count em. 5 well over 100. Two more just over 100. Exactly as I said.
    Anything over 100 is crushed. 7/17.

    But that doesn't make the rest of them slaps. Anything over 95 is defined as "hard hit" (I didn't make the labels so don't take it up with me).

    Thats's 12/17 "hard hit" balls and 5 slaps (if you count the 93s as slaps, which seems generous).

    He wasn't out there slapping the ball around.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
    So he crushed 5/17 of his hits in that hot streak and has two more a hair over 100mph. The rest were slaps.
    You're counting balls hit over 100 mph as slaps? Seriously?

    Well in that case sure, he's a slap hitter.
    Count em. 5 well over 100. Two more just over 100. Exactly as I said.
    Anything over 100 is crushed. 7/17.

    But that doesn't make the rest of them slaps. Anything over 95 is defined as "hard hit" (I didn't make the labels so don't take it up with me).

    Thats's 12/17 "hard hit" balls and 5 slaps (if you count the 93s as slaps, which seems generous).

    He wasn't out there slapping the ball around.
    Ok internet bully. We can argue semantics and opinions all day about what a hard hit ball is. Julio can crush it at 120mph. When he's taking jam shots and bouncing them past the second baseman or making the 3b go deep down the line and beating the throw, call it whatever you want.

    Again it's clear that you took umbrage with the use of the word slap. How about spray hitting? The point is he's not up there swinging from the heels most of the time, and I think he's at his best like that.

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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    For me, with Murph and Kelenic out they need some pop at DH. It’s not ideal, it is sporadic, but I see the reasoning behind it.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    Not a big Ford fan, I think they have enough lefties off the bench. But Haggerty isn't especially essential with Moore, Rojas and Caballero around either. I'd prefer Haggerty but I don't really hate it. I do wish Ford was starting less. I'd rather see Canzone and Marlowe get the ABs.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Also you can't option Ford but you can Haggerty, wouldn't be surprised if that was the difference in the decision.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    Not a big Ford fan, I think they have enough lefties off the bench. But Haggerty isn't especially essential with Moore, Rojas and Caballero around either. I'd prefer Haggerty but I don't really hate it. I do wish Ford was starting less. I'd rather see Canzone and Marlowe get the ABs.
    Feel the same. I wish they had another righty outfielder or at least DH type. Even in this route tonight it struck me how few options they have from the right side. I guess Julio sitting contributed to that a bit too.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    Not a big Ford fan, I think they have enough lefties off the bench. But Haggerty isn't especially essential with Moore, Rojas and Caballero around either. I'd prefer Haggerty but I don't really hate it. I do wish Ford was starting less. I'd rather see Canzone and Marlowe get the ABs.
    Feel the same. I wish they had another righty outfielder or at least DH type. Even in this route tonight it struck me how few options they have from the right side. I guess Julio sitting contributed to that a bit too.
    Pollock bombing definitely left a hole for a lefty masher. Especially since Cal is so good against righties but pretty meh against southpaws.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    Not a big Ford fan, I think they have enough lefties off the bench. But Haggerty isn't especially essential with Moore, Rojas and Caballero around either. I'd prefer Haggerty but I don't really hate it. I do wish Ford was starting less. I'd rather see Canzone and Marlowe get the ABs.
    Feel the same. I wish they had another righty outfielder or at least DH type. Even in this route tonight it struck me how few options they have from the right side. I guess Julio sitting contributed to that a bit too.
    Pollock bombing definitely left a hole for a lefty masher. Especially since Cal is so good against righties but pretty meh against southpaws.
    Murphy has been filling the gap pretty well I guess. I kind of forgot about him, which is dumb since he's a good producer for my fantasy team. I think he can be back as early as this weekend.
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    They won again.
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    JoeEDangerouslyJoeEDangerously Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,183
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    Where’s Julio? Second day in a row not in the lineup
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    Where’s Julio? Second day in a row not in the lineup

    Stomach bug, allegedly…
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    On another note, what do all two of you who care think of them sending Swaggerty down and keeping Ford?

    Not a big Ford fan, I think they have enough lefties off the bench. But Haggerty isn't especially essential with Moore, Rojas and Caballero around either. I'd prefer Haggerty but I don't really hate it. I do wish Ford was starting less. I'd rather see Canzone and Marlowe get the ABs.
    Feel the same. I wish they had another righty outfielder or at least DH type. Even in this route tonight it struck me how few options they have from the right side. I guess Julio sitting contributed to that a bit too.
    Pollock bombing definitely left a hole for a lefty masher. Especially since Cal is so good against righties but pretty meh against southpaws.
    Murphy has been filling the gap pretty well I guess. I kind of forgot about him, which is dumb since he's a good producer for my fantasy team. I think he can be back as early as this weekend.
    Yeah Murphy has been locked in for a couple of months. Wild they've done a lot of this damage since he went down. I hope he comes back quickly.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    One thing the Ms seem to do really well down the stretch, almost ridiculously well, is cycle through a murderers row of pitchers who's careers are going nowhere, and get solid innings out of them. Watch that failed starter they just signed, Weaver I think, find something that works and really help them.
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    chuck said:

    One thing the Ms seem to do really well down the stretch, almost ridiculously well, is cycle through a murderers row of pitchers who's careers are going nowhere, and get solid innings out of them. Watch that failed starter they just signed, Weaver I think, find something that works and really help them.

    They seem to be able to find something from their pitchers overlooked by other teams. Neither Woo or Miller were very good in college. Woo was especially bad. Every year they seem to have a couple relievers step up that were not any good for their previous teams.
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    Looks like Weaver gave two dominant innings today already.

    Munoz couldn't close it...again. over reliance on him, and Brash too, is going to cost them in some big spots.
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    Nothing like not playing and both losers losing.
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