Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
Just surrender the Rhineland comrade. It's the proper thing to do... for peace.
In 2022 Ukraine and Russia were making significant progress in negotiating an end to this War. The key was Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO ambitions. Boris Johnson flew to Ukraine and blew it up. Why won't either you or PGOS address this?
Why does Russia have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?
Use your big boy words.
They don't have that right. Most, if not all of your opposition in this thread, don't believe the US engaging in a proxy war is the solution. You do and that's ok. I once supported George Bush and Dick Cheney. I was wrong.
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
How could Russia be in Nato? It was literally art up to stop them.
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
How could Russia be in Nato? It was literally art up to stop them.
Russia had been cozying up to the West in many ways when Putin first came to power.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
Just surrender the Rhineland comrade. It's the proper thing to do... for peace.
In 2022 Ukraine and Russia were making significant progress in negotiating an end to this War. The key was Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO ambitions. Boris Johnson flew to Ukraine and blew it up. Why won't either you or PGOS address this?
Why does Russia have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?
Use your big boy words.
Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, Mexico joined an alliance with a China or a Russia. Then let’s say that 3rd party decided to put weapons systems on our southern border.
How would you expect the US to respond? Would you support, say, South Africa saying the US has no right to dictate Mexico’s alliances?
Run me through the thought-tree there. TIA.
This is what about ism. Hth.
But let's play the game. Why would Mexico want to align itself with either Russia or ChYnA?
No, it is not. It is a principled analogy based on a principle you espoused that “[x-country does not] have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?”
Please to be defending said principle, or give valid reasons why y-variable might justifiably cause a deviation from principle.
Thank you.
It is, in that regardless of how the US would act, it is a principle. That's the definition of what about ism.
ATBS, I said I would play, now explain, why would Mexico want to align itself with either of those countries(existing) alliances?
I don't underatand why you won't answer PAWZ' question and demand he answers yours. But there are many reasons, if you're paying attention to the geopolitics you claim to be an expert in, why Mexico would align itself with China and Russia. Both have been taking extremely active positions in South America over the past 30 years. It's certaining an option extreme elements (hello cartels) within their corrupt government have been considering.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
Lol never once said anything remotely to this and 100% Zelensky can fuck the fuck off with this shit.
Not aimed at you
I get your argument
Just don't agree
In a vacuum sure fuck Russia
But it's not a vacuum
America first
Russia is 100% intent on the downfall of the US and the system that enabled us to become #1. They've been doing everything they can to aid China in their quest to create a "multipolar" world devoid of a superpower aka The US. They literally state as much.
It's cute people in here think they don't have a problem with Russians. Russians have a problem with us. Reminds me of RIP @CirrhosisDawg trying to apologize for ChYnA. Complete with citing sources being paid and bought for.
Ukraine ain't my friend, but I'll gladly hand them the brass knuckles to go fight the other gang in my neighborhood...even if they get shot for it.
Tldr it serves US interests to watch Russia go down a peg or three on the international stage.
Anywho, @RaceBannon we can disagree. Some retards in here ain't cut out for the higher level realpolitik discussion board.
I don't understand why you believe an America first position is somehow support for Russia. I asked PGOS the same question and received no response. Please show 1 just 1 staement in more than 50 pages of a SINGLE position of Russian support. You have a worldview which says fight Russia and there is no room for any alternative. There is but it won't stop you from accusing your opposition of sucking Putin's cock. Unbelievable but then again I saw 5 people wearing masks in their cars alone on I-5 this morning.
America can give a few billions out of an outrageous DOD budget to Ukraine, especially when it's preventing Russia from USSR 2.0 aspirations
Additionally, it has the added benefit of showing the world that 80s American tech is better than what Russia can field in 2023 (for the most part).
America has a lot of domestic problems, of which this is a sideshow in comparison to.
It's a win/win situation in many ways for America to supply Ukraine here.
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
How could Russia be in Nato? It was literally art up to stop them.
Russia had been cozying up to the West in many ways when Putin first came to power.
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
How could Russia be in Nato? It was literally art up to stop them.
Russia had been cozying up to the West in many ways when Putin first came to power.
And?
Russia aligning with the west would almost guarantee a world free of major wars for the forseeable future
Lol never once said anything remotely to this and 100% Zelensky can fuck the fuck off with this shit.
Not aimed at you
I get your argument
Just don't agree
In a vacuum sure fuck Russia
But it's not a vacuum
America first
Russia is 100% intent on the downfall of the US and the system that enabled us to become #1. They've been doing everything they can to aid China in their quest to create a "multipolar" world devoid of a superpower aka The US. They literally state as much.
It's cute people in here think they don't have a problem with Russians. Russians have a problem with us. Reminds me of RIP @CirrhosisDawg trying to apologize for ChYnA. Complete with citing sources being paid and bought for.
Ukraine ain't my friend, but I'll gladly hand them the brass knuckles to go fight the other gang in my neighborhood...even if they get shot for it.
Tldr it serves US interests to watch Russia go down a peg or three on the international stage.
Anywho, @RaceBannon we can disagree. Some retards in here ain't cut out for the higher level realpolitik discussion board.
I don't understand why you believe an America first position is somehow support for Russia. I asked PGOS the same question and received no response. Please show 1 just 1 staement in more than 50 pages of a SINGLE position of Russian support. You have a worldview which says fight Russia and there is no room for any alternative. There is but it won't stop you from accusing your opposition of sucking Putin's cock. Unbelievable but then again I saw 5 people wearing masks in their cars alone on I-5 this morning.
America can give a few billions out of an outrageous DOD budget to Ukraine, especially when it's preventing Russia from USSR 2.0 aspirations
Additionally, it has the added benefit of showing the world that 80s American tech is better than what Russia can field in 2023 (for the most part).
America has a lot of domestic problems, of which this is a sideshow in comparison to.
It's a win/win situation in many ways for America to supply Ukraine here.
Thank you for considerate discussion. A few billion is one thing but several hundred and potential troops is quite another. Not saying we're there yet so please don't twist. I just don't see how this ends well the more entrenched we become. I never thought I'd be a pacifist but the older I get the more I am and I don't trust our government. The stories coming out on Vindman prove how corrupt our is and the support for Ukraine and war with Russia are fraught with fraud.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
You said earlier that NATO could wipe them out in 3 days if they actually wanted to. Assuming that is true, then we really have nothing to worry about.
It would involve massive casualties for the US and NATO countries.
No one wants that.
And, it might lead to nukes.
Why must the US be (not support but be) NATO? So your earlier position NATO could wipe them out in 3 days really meant the United States with NATO hiding and issuing IOUs could wipe Russia out in 3 days? Hyperbole? Surely you understand this isn't remotely possible right?
??
You think in an all out blitz NATO wouldnt have blown the fuck out of the Russian military on every front?
The US could do it by itself.
F22s, F35s, and cruise missles would rain hell on Russia that this world has never seen.
The US is without peer and it isnt close. Then you throw in the UK, France, Poland, Turkey, Italy, Germany, etc. etc....
No one wants to invade Russia itself and claim a bunch of swampland.
Theoretically could? Yes. Is it realistic? No, I don't think so.
Holy fuck guysm. Bandwidth Massacre, pun chintended,.
I'm fucking bord, injured, it's raining and I can't play golf. I see 200+ more poasts on this aids thred so why not? Always up for learning something especially how to better suck Putin's cock;-)
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
How could Russia be in Nato? It was literally art up to stop them.
Russia had been cozying up to the West in many ways when Putin first came to power.
And?
Russia aligning with the west would almost guarantee a world free of major wars for the forseeable future
Lol never once said anything remotely to this and 100% Zelensky can fuck the fuck off with this shit.
Not aimed at you
I get your argument
Just don't agree
In a vacuum sure fuck Russia
But it's not a vacuum
America first
Russia is 100% intent on the downfall of the US and the system that enabled us to become #1. They've been doing everything they can to aid China in their quest to create a "multipolar" world devoid of a superpower aka The US. They literally state as much.
It's cute people in here think they don't have a problem with Russians. Russians have a problem with us. Reminds me of RIP @CirrhosisDawg trying to apologize for ChYnA. Complete with citing sources being paid and bought for.
Ukraine ain't my friend, but I'll gladly hand them the brass knuckles to go fight the other gang in my neighborhood...even if they get shot for it.
Tldr it serves US interests to watch Russia go down a peg or three on the international stage.
Anywho, @RaceBannon we can disagree. Some retards in here ain't cut out for the higher level realpolitik discussion board.
I don't understand why you believe an America first position is somehow support for Russia. I asked PGOS the same question and received no response. Please show 1 just 1 staement in more than 50 pages of a SINGLE position of Russian support. You have a worldview which says fight Russia and there is no room for any alternative. There is but it won't stop you from accusing your opposition of sucking Putin's cock. Unbelievable but then again I saw 5 people wearing masks in their cars alone on I-5 this morning.
America can give a few billions out of an outrageous DOD budget to Ukraine, especially when it's preventing Russia from USSR 2.0 aspirations
Additionally, it has the added benefit of showing the world that 80s American tech is better than what Russia can field in 2023 (for the most part).
America has a lot of domestic problems, of which this is a sideshow in comparison to.
It's a win/win situation in many ways for America to supply Ukraine here.
Thank you for considerate discussion. A few billion is one thing but several hundred and potential troops is quite another. Not saying we're there yet so please don't twist. I just don't see how this ends well the more entrenched we become. I never thought I'd be a pacifist but the older I get the more I am and I don't trust our government. The stories coming out on Vindman prove how corrupt our is and the support for Ukraine and war with Russia are fraught with fraud.
My issue is what is the endgame? And what if Ukraine really starts kicking butt and Putin ratchets it up.... we don't want nukes, even tactical ones. Putin has fought this war without those... let's not provoke him.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
Just surrender the Rhineland comrade. It's the proper thing to do... for peace.
In 2022 Ukraine and Russia were making significant progress in negotiating an end to this War. The key was Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO ambitions. Boris Johnson flew to Ukraine and blew it up. Why won't either you or PGOS address this?
Why does Russia have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?
Use your big boy words.
Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, Mexico joined an alliance with a China or a Russia. Then let’s say that 3rd party decided to put weapons systems on our southern border.
How would you expect the US to respond? Would you support, say, South Africa saying the US has no right to dictate Mexico’s alliances?
Run me through the thought-tree there. TIA.
This is what about ism. Hth.
But let's play the game. Why would Mexico want to align itself with either Russia or ChYnA?
No, it is not. It is a principled analogy based on a principle you espoused that “[x-country does not] have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?”
Please to be defending said principle, or give valid reasons why y-variable might justifiably cause a deviation from principle.
Thank you.
It is, in that regardless of how the US would act, it is a principle. That's the definition of what about ism.
ATBS, I said I would play, now explain, why would Mexico want to align itself with either of those countries(existing) alliances?
Hypocrisy.
You can't move on to discussing the terms of y-variable when you haven't set the predicate for why, or how, a deviation from x-principle might be justified.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
As long as it isn't them or their kids. That's the clear moral view of a chickenhawk.
The real chickenhawks are the ones bending over backwards to make excuses for Russia
You know, the country who started this whole mess and has been killing, torturing, and raping civilians. Then deporting the surviving children to re education camps.
This is an evil regime. Chickenhawks think that appeasement is the proper response.
You need to get off the "making excuses" for Russia stuff. It makes you look fucking stupid. "Putin and Russia are evil." No shit man like none of us here have been around long enough to know that.
You keep talking about raping, torture, killing of civilians as I talk about getting to the negotiating table and making peace to end it. But I'm the appeaser and Putin cocksucker? WTF is wrong with you?
Ukraine is about to launch a major offensive with new and improved weapons versus what they have been using previously. They are in a position of strength here, and if they want to keep fighting versus appeasing the tyrannical regime that has raped their country, that is their call. I support their right to do that.
You, and other, want to reward the aggressor with concessions and negotiations.
LIFPO.
The city of Bakhmut found this interpretation of the facts charming.
Cluster bombs. Clearly the moral choice. Russians won't care. Or they just start dropping cluster bombs on the Ukrainians. Doesn't seem like the Ukrainians are desperate or anything. So much shredding.
PGOS can continue to believe that Ukraine is going to push Russian troops back to Russia. It's a fantasy but nothing anyone poasts here will deter him from believing that. I'll continue to read and listen to people with rational takes on what's happening on the front and the likely outcome.
You are retarded
Gawd you're fucking thick. In 2022 Russia and Ukraine will working on a settlement that included Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO aspirations. Then Boris. But do go on.
Ukraine doesn't need to revoke NATO aspirations. Russia could BE in NATO if it wanted to.
You are what is called a "useful idiot"
Again, this is where your understanding of history fails you.
Putin did in fact ask William Jefferson Clinton for Russia to join NATO and was rebuffed.
Considering NATO's charter was to be a defense alliance the former Soviet Union, the joining of NATO by Russia would render the necessity of that charter inherently moot.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
As long as it isn't them or their kids. That's the clear moral view of a chickenhawk.
The real chickenhawks are the ones bending over backwards to make excuses for Russia
You know, the country who started this whole mess and has been killing, torturing, and raping civilians. Then deporting the surviving children to re education camps.
This is an evil regime. Chickenhawks think that appeasement is the proper response.
You need to get off the "making excuses" for Russia stuff. It makes you look fucking stupid. "Putin and Russia are evil." No shit man like none of us here have been around long enough to know that.
You keep talking about raping, torture, killing of civilians as I talk about getting to the negotiating table and making peace to end it. But I'm the appeaser and Putin cocksucker? WTF is wrong with you?
Ukraine is about to launch a major offensive with new and improved weapons versus what they have been using previously. They are in a position of strength here, and if they want to keep fighting versus appeasing the tyrannical regime that has raped their country, that is their call. I support their right to do that.
You, and other, want to reward the aggressor with concessions and negotiations.
LIFPO.
The city of Bakhmut found this interpretation of the facts charming.
Bakhmut is a city of 70k that Russia has spent 9 months trying to take, and still hasnt fully taken.
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Welcome to 2015 Hillary
Get some new material
Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly
Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news
Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
Not under Trump
If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue
Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump
I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick
It all fake news. Hello?
No shit. We agree on Trump.
If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?
It's all fucking fake.
What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...
The isnt the first rodeo
Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic
Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.
Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
A good number of people in this thread
Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.
Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.
Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place
Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion
Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia
All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.
No one but a select few buys it
Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
Disagree.
Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops
Hope this helps.
It doesn't.
Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.
And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying
If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?
This is what Bot and I have been saying
It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.
You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
Ok they had the lesson now lets negotiate a damn end to this so innocents on both sides stop dying... this song describes it best...
Just surrender the Rhineland comrade. It's the proper thing to do... for peace.
In 2022 Ukraine and Russia were making significant progress in negotiating an end to this War. The key was Russia pulling back and Ukraine renouncing NATO ambitions. Boris Johnson flew to Ukraine and blew it up. Why won't either you or PGOS address this?
Why does Russia have the right to dictate a sovereign nation's alliances under the threat of invasion and violence?
Use your big boy words.
That's not an answer to my question.
Ukraine was at the peace table with 15 points being hashed out for peace to happen.
So why did NATO keep dangling membership to Ukraine?
And why didn't Boris want peace instead of more War.
Use your words big boy.
In other words you have no answer.
It's NATO's fault Russia invaded potd.
You guysm can keep saying it, it still doesn't make it true.
Why did Russia invade then?
Judges will not accept putting the band back together or domino theory.
Tell me why Russia has a right to dictate sovereign countries alliances under the threat of invasion. Go on, try it without going to the what about the US mattress.
Also, none of you seem to be able to answer why these countries don't want to join CSTO and have such an interest in NATO. It's a real head scratcher.
Mind you, they have borders with other NATO members.
Russia has a right to all lands adjacent to Russia!
Ffs you guys don't even make 50 page threads about US border security.
Whataboutism is a scarecrow used to avoid a principle that ought be universally applied. #LibertarianPrinciples
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You can't move on to discussing the terms of y-variable when you haven't set the predicate for why, or how, a deviation from x-principle might be justified.
Putin did in fact ask William Jefferson Clinton for Russia to join NATO and was rebuffed.
Considering NATO's charter was to be a defense alliance the former Soviet Union, the joining of NATO by Russia would render the necessity of that charter inherently moot.
Chess, not checkers.
You knew that, right?