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  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited March 2023
    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

    Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

    Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

    Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

    Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia


    All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

    No one but a select few buys it
    Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
    Disagree.

    Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops

    So is there tipping point in time and money that would change your opinion? If so give those amounts so we can re-examine this thing when it inevitably gets past those targets and we just need a little more time and money.
    This is a good question. I appreciate your responses to this thread, you are actually a critical thinker.

    To be honest, Im not sure. I am fine with this status quo.

    I do not think we should give Ukriane fighter jets, pension dollars, etc.

    Im fine with old tanks, autocannons, artillery shells etc. Im fine with us producing more to supply them with these type of items.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,605 Swaye's Wigwam

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Welcome to 2015 Hillary

    Get some new material

    Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly

    Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
    2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news

    Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
    Not under Trump

    If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue

    Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump

    I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick

    It all fake news. Hello?
    No shit. We agree on Trump.

    If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
    So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?


    It's all fucking fake.

    What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...

    The isnt the first rodeo
    Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic


    How so?

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

    Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

    Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

    Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

    Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia


    All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

    No one but a select few buys it
    Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
    Disagree.

    Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops


    Hope this helps.

    It doesn't.

    Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.

    And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying

    If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?

    This is what Bot and I have been saying

    It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.

    You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
    You said earlier that NATO could wipe them out in 3 days if they actually wanted to. Assuming that is true, then we really have nothing to worry about.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

    Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

    Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

    Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

    Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia


    All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

    No one but a select few buys it
    Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
    Disagree.

    Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops

    So is there tipping point in time and money that would change your opinion? If so give those amounts so we can re-examine this thing when it inevitably gets past those targets and we just need a little more time and money.
    This is a good question. I appreciate your responses to this thread, you are actually a critical thinker.

    To be honest, Im not sure. I am fine with this status quo.

    I do not think we should give Ukriane fighter jets, pension dollars, etc.

    Im fine with old tanks, autocannons, artillery shells etc. Im fine with us producing more to supply them with these type of items.
    You seeing yourself as some critical thinker is some funny shit.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Bob_C said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Welcome to 2015 Hillary

    Get some new material

    Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly

    Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
    2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news

    Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
    Not under Trump

    If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue

    Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump

    I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick

    It all fake news. Hello?
    No shit. We agree on Trump.

    If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
    So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?


    It's all fucking fake.

    What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...

    The isnt the first rodeo
    Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic


    How so?

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

    Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

    Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

    Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

    Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia


    All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

    No one but a select few buys it
    Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
    Disagree.

    Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops


    Hope this helps.

    It doesn't.

    Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.

    And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying

    If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?

    This is what Bot and I have been saying

    It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.

    You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
    You said earlier that NATO could wipe them out in 3 days if they actually wanted to. Assuming that is true, then we really have nothing to worry about.
    Former NATO General said last year they were no where near ready to engage Russia in Ukraine.

    But Still.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    Bob_C said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Welcome to 2015 Hillary

    Get some new material

    Russia Russia Russia led to covid covid covid led to Zelensky lighting his country on fire. Allegedly

    Maybe you and Vindman can get cocktails
    2015 Hillary was grasping at straws. It was fake news

    Russia actually invading their neighbors? Another Tuesday in world history
    Not under Trump

    If you weren't such a fucking blockhead you might get a clue

    Vindman and his ilk attacked American democracy just like they accused Trump

    I support America. Go suck Zelensky dick

    It all fake news. Hello?
    No shit. We agree on Trump.

    If you werent such a blockhead, youd understand that sometimes you cant have constant wet dreams about Trump and realize that life goes on
    So go ahead and reward the assholes who did it. Are you getting a cut or do you suck cock for free?


    It's all fucking fake.

    What is fucking fake about Russia being a constant menance to the world? Explain away that one...

    The isnt the first rodeo
    Ironic, because this describes you perfectly on this topic


    How so?

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Provide a specific example. Sounds like there’s a lot to choose from so should be easy.

    Acknowledging the realities of the situation as it stands is not defending anything. You refusing to do that is just fandom, not analysis.

    Lots of "Russia had no choice, NATO is expanding" sob stories, without understanding why NATO exists in the first place

    Lots of "bio weapon labs" takes to justify the invasion

    Lots of "Ukraine is full of Nazis" takes because they have a few groups of paramilitary Neo Nazis like every other country, including Russia


    All excuses the Russians themselves use to justfiy invasion and genocide.

    No one but a select few buys it
    Many on here think it’s an unwinnable situation as it stands. You think it can be done with an unlimited budget and timeline and that we should be spending money for punitive punishment.
    Disagree.

    Ive said several times this is peanuts to the US and it doesnt involve US troops


    Hope this helps.

    It doesn't.

    Allowing Russia to continue to invade and bully their neighbors will cost FAR more in the long run.

    And might actually involve US troops doing the fighting and dying

    If we can supply Ukraine with older weapons and let them do the fighting against the Russian horde, why not?

    This is what Bot and I have been saying

    It sucks this happened, it sucks Biden and the Dems routinely have this shit happening because they dont take hardline stances, everything about it sucks. But the milk is spilled, and Russia is getting a lesson in fuck around and find out.

    You are so delusional you called my picture of blown up Russian armour propaganda.
    You said earlier that NATO could wipe them out in 3 days if they actually wanted to. Assuming that is true, then we really have nothing to worry about.

    It would involve massive casualties for the US and NATO countries.

    No one wants that.

    And, it might lead to nukes.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    That was the UN and a travesty.

    You need to learn to not equate every situation to a past one. They are all different
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    That was the UN and a travesty.

    You need to learn to not equate every situation to a past one. They are all different
    You need to study history and US involvement in foreign conflicts.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,197 Swaye's Wigwam
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    That was the UN and a travesty.

    You need to learn to not equate every situation to a past one. They are all different
    You need to study history and US involvement in foreign conflicts.
    I have

    Have you looked up Russian history and foreign conflicts?
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    That was the UN and a travesty.

    You need to learn to not equate every situation to a past one. They are all different
    You need to study history and US involvement in foreign conflicts.
    I have

    Have you looked up Russian history and foreign conflicts?
    Doesn’t read like you have. You’re cheerleading the slaughter of Ukrainians because you have a hard on for Putin. You ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.

    It’s like you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. This thing should be over but Boris Johnson saw to it that that wouldn’t happen last year.

    Wake the hell up.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,375 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2023
    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    Now do Afghanistan and Iraq and let us know how Team America, World's Police is doing? South Africa is about to go tits up. We need our guys to go in there and fix it? Or just let in a few million refugees and start writing checks on our non-existent bank account?
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited March 2023

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    I remember when Russia tried to put Nukes 90 miles from Florida. The US didn’t like that very much. Nearly led to nuclear war. But NATO courting Ukraine shouldn’t concern Russia.

    Action>>>>>Reaction.

    Right or wrong, to ignore this fact is ignorant.

    Russia propaganda!

    Simple minded retort.

    We actually helped pull nukes from Ukraine so this analogy makes no sense

    NATO is a defensive treaty designed to prevent....Russian invasions
    I knew it would fly over your head. It’s not about the nukes alone. It was about putting a threat 90 miles from the US.

    But Russia viewing a NATO aligned Ukraine as a potential threat can not even be a consideration.

    This is where you scream.........

    Russia Propaganda!
    Like I said, completely delusional Russian propaganda.

    NATO is not an aggressor.

    It has never been an aggressor.

    It helped stopped genocide in Serbia/Bosnia.

    I'm sure you also hated that.
    Yes they also did a bag up job in Rwanda. There’s only one propagandist here and he’s too ignorant to see it.
    Now do Afghanistan and Iraq and let us know how Team America, World's Police is doing? South Africa is about to go tits up? We need our guys to go in there and fix it? Or just let in a few million refugees and start writing checks on our non-existent bank account?
    My mistake but that was the UN. Still an org that does nothing when it doesn’t fit the politics. I quote a former NATO General speaking just last year and PGOS screams Russia propaganda.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,375 Standard Supporter
    NATO is a hollowed out shell. Years of under investment in troops and equipment and major investment in the NATO bureaucracy. Only Poland appears to actually give a sh*t. If the Germans aren't interested or serious about western European security, then I'm not interested either. If our leaders aren't serious about US border security, then I'm not serious about Ukraine border security.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31694/germany-has-fewer-than-10-tiger-and-12-nh90-helicopters-ready-for-combat

    Germany Has Fewer Than 10 Tiger And 12 NH90 Helicopters Ready For Combat
    Germany blames Airbus for the helicopters’ low availability, but it is the latest example of the country’s general continuing readiness woes.

    BY
    JOSEPH TREVITHICK
    |
    PUBLISHED JAN 2, 2020 3:16 PM

    report has emerged that shows just 15 percent of Germany's Tiger attack helicopters and only around 12 percent of its NH90 transport helicopters were mission capable as of November 2019. The German Armed Forces, or Bundeswehr, has blamed Airbus, which provides contract maintenance services for both types, for the low availability rates, but this also comes as German authorities continue to struggle to improve readiness across the country's military.

    German newspaper Bild

    was first to report on the low readiness of the two German military helicopter types on Jan. 1, 2020. A leaked Bundeswehr report that the outlet obtained said that eight out of 53 Tigers and 12 of 99 NH90s were "ready-to-use." Germany took delivery of its first Tiger in 2005 from what was then known as Eurocopter, which morphed into Airbus Helicopters in 2014. The German military received the first NH90, which NHIndustries, a consortium that includes Airbus, produces, in 2006....

    Low availability hasn't been limited to helicopters in recent years, with fixed-wing aircraft, ships, submarines, and more, having equally dismal mission capable rates. The German Air Force's Tornado combat jets, which are aging and in increasingly desperate need of replacement, have been one particular sore spot, with around 35 percent of the aircraft being combat ready as of 2017. Readiness rates for the country's newer Typhoon fighters haven't been significantly better, either.

    Even more notably, by the end of 2017, none of Germany's six Type 212A subs were operational. This predicament persisted for months into the following year.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    I support The United States of America

    PGOS supports traitors


    Case closed
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    I support The United States of America

    PGOS supports traitors


    Case closed

    Trump was messing with the grift.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    In August of 2016 Trump said Putin wasn’t going to go into Ukraine despite fucking Barry in the ass and charging into Crimea.

    The media of course thought he was crazy and a Putin stooge. Sound familiar?

    BTW, he didn’t when Trump was POTUS. This shit isn’t that hard.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,237 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2023

    Bob_C said:

    Weird thread going on here. Even the dimmest of bulbs in America must be seeing that we should not send one more fucking dollar to Ukraine now. Jesus. If it's a whoosh thread, well OK. But this PGOS cunt needs to own up to it.

    Sad to see so called Americans bend over backwards to defend Russia of all fucking places.
    Who has defended anything that Russia has done?
    A good number of people in this thread
    Citation needed.
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