I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
Ukraine got invaded because of a Russian land grab. Just like Georgia. Just like Chechnya.
Hth
Simple minds believe simple things
You've gone full Alex Jones. Sad to see.
Sure bro
Great argument
One could say a simple argument
From a simple mind
Ive posted so much info in this thread to support my argument its not even funny
It is what it is
So you get a gold star for poasting what the powers that be and the MIC wants people to believe. Are you aware that when Ukraine runs out of the artillery we're supplying that there's no more coming? It's not an endless supply. Do you know what that means?
Ive poasted stuff from left leaning sources, right leaning sources, and everything in between.
You just dont want to hear it.
Russia is going to be having fun with Bradley's and Leopards soon. The coping here will be off the charts.
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
Lol never once said anything remotely to this and 100% Zelensky can fuck the fuck off with this shit.
Not aimed at you
I get your argument
Just don't agree
In a vacuum sure fuck Russia
But it's not a vacuum
America first
Russia is 100% intent on the downfall of the US and the system that enabled us to become #1. They've been doing everything they can to aid China in their quest to create a "multipolar" world devoid of a superpower aka The US. They literally state as much.
It's cute people in here think they don't have a problem with Russians. Russians have a problem with us. Reminds me of RIP @CirrhosisDawg trying to apologize for ChYnA. Complete with citing sources being paid and bought for.
Ukraine ain't my friend, but I'll gladly hand them the brass knuckles to go fight the other gang in my neighborhood...even if they get shot for it.
Tldr it serves US interests to watch Russia go down a peg or three on the international stage.
Anywho, @RaceBannon we can disagree. Some retards in here ain't cut out for the higher level realpolitik discussion board.
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
A country that once had 30M people now down to the high teens. Some see the disaster and think it might be in the best interest of Ukraine to seek a ceasefire and a negotiated peace. Some meaning gov't officials and military leaders behind the scenes. I guess they're taking Russia victory laps too. JFC.
A country that once had 30M people now down to the high teens. Some see the disaster and think it might be in the best interest of Ukraine to seek a ceasefire and a negotiated peace. Some meaning gov't officials and military leaders behind the scenes. I guess they're taking Russia victory laps too. JFC.
Wrong.
It had 50 million and it still has well over 40...
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
Neither side will accomplish their stated goals
Goalpost moving from Russia has been impressive
What was Russia's goal specifically?
Install a puppet govt and take more land, or possibly take the entire country
They didnt send their elite paratroopers to their deaths at Hostomel airport outside Kyiv for shits and giggles
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
Neither side will accomplish their stated goals
Goalpost moving from Russia has been impressive
What was Russia's goal specifically?
Install a puppet govt and take more land, or possibly take the entire country
They didnt send their elite paratroopers to their deaths at Hostomel airport outside Kyiv for shits and giggles
Their stated goals was to demilitarize Ukraine. So trying to take a major airport fits in with that.
My opinion is that they actually are trying to create a buffer to NATO as they have said and their desired goal looks something like this. The whole they were planning to keep going through Poland, etc. thing was our own creation in order to generate fear and support.
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
Neither side will accomplish their stated goals
Goalpost moving from Russia has been impressive
What was Russia's goal specifically?
Install a puppet govt and take more land, or possibly take the entire country
They didnt send their elite paratroopers to their deaths at Hostomel airport outside Kyiv for shits and giggles
They might. Russians are complete vodka chugging idiots
Ukraine got invaded because of a Russian land grab. Just like Georgia. Just like Chechnya.
Hth
Simple minds believe simple things
You've gone full Alex Jones. Sad to see.
Sure bro
Great argument
One could say a simple argument
From a simple mind
Ive posted so much info in this thread to support my argument its not even funny
It is what it is
So you get a gold star for poasting what the powers that be and the MIC wants people to believe. Are you aware that when Ukraine runs out of the artillery we're supplying that there's no more coming? It's not an endless supply. Do you know what that means?
Ive poasted stuff from left leaning sources, right leaning sources, and everything in between.
You just dont want to hear it.
Russia is going to be having fun with Bradley's and Leopards soon. The coping here will be off the charts.
Establishment-left, Establishment-right, and Establishment-everything-in-between. Most don't need to be math majors to find the common denominator.
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
I'm the peacenik here. Ukraine was never defeating Russia. That was always a fantasy. Time for a ceasefire and peace talks. Instead Joey is off to Delaware for the weekend while more Ukranians die in vain.
Ukraine still being an independent country right now is a win and a massive L for Russia.
Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
But those are the stated goals, get Russia out completely.
Neither side will accomplish their stated goals
Goalpost moving from Russia has been impressive
What was Russia's goal specifically?
Install a puppet govt and take more land, or possibly take the entire country
They didnt send their elite paratroopers to their deaths at Hostomel airport outside Kyiv for shits and giggles
Their stated goals was to demilitarize Ukraine. So trying to take a major airport fits in with that.
My opinion is that they actually are trying to create a buffer to NATO as they have said and their desired goal looks something like this. The whole they were planning to keep going through Poland, etc. thing was our own creation in order to generate fear and support.
Russians are overtly paranoid about their borders. It’s historic and part of their DNA. Napoleon and Hitler left an indelible mark.
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Other than that, we actually agree.
I think Ukraine is going to have enough juice left to take back wide swathes of southern Ukraine.
I dont think the LPR, DPR, and Crimea are feasible goals
Im not buying the Biden 5d chess move encouraging an invasion, but Ill consider your take.
Remember - EVERYONE thought Ukraine was toast within a week. Doesnt really play into that theory
It's cute people in here think they don't have a problem with Russians. Russians have a problem with us. Reminds me of RIP @CirrhosisDawg trying to apologize for ChYnA. Complete with citing sources being paid and bought for.
Ukraine ain't my friend, but I'll gladly hand them the brass knuckles to go fight the other gang in my neighborhood...even if they get shot for it.
Tldr it serves US interests to watch Russia go down a peg or three on the international stage.
Anywho, @RaceBannon we can disagree. Some retards in here ain't cut out for the higher level realpolitik discussion board.
50 pages of playing tummy sticks and high fiving over how great Russia is.
Keep taking victory laps.
Goalpost moving from Russia has been impressive
It had 50 million and it still has well over 40...
They didnt send their elite paratroopers to their deaths at Hostomel airport outside Kyiv for shits and giggles
My opinion is that they actually are trying to create a buffer to NATO as they have said and their desired goal looks something like this. The whole they were planning to keep going through Poland, etc. thing was our own creation in order to generate fear and support.
All 40 tanks? JFC
Hope this helps.
Start there and perhaps your checkers mentality can catch up to the rest of us.
Ukraine is their buffer for sure.