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Race Bannon's OFFICIAL Golf Talk 2023-2024 Thread

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
    Rahm was recency bias after the Masters

    Real Brooks Koepka is better. Could be a good rivalry
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club
    My boy Issaquah-Aussie Cam Davis back doored a top 4 also.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,694 Founders Club
    My brother in law is naming their kid after Brooksey.

    CSB.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,216 Founders Club
    edited May 2023
    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam

    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


    Want to try my loaner driver? I could throw it in a box and send it your way for a bit. It's a very nice, customized Callaway from about 10 years ago with an aftermarket Matrix shaft.

    Maybe that would get you moving on upgrading your tee club. Or maybe it would do the opposite, but it wouldn't cost you anything.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,216 Founders Club
    chuck said:

    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


    Want to try my loaner driver? I could throw it in a box and send it your way for a bit. It's a very nice, customized Callaway from about 10 years ago with an aftermarket Matrix shaft.

    Maybe that would get you moving on upgrading your tee club. Or maybe it would do the opposite, but it wouldn't cost you anything.
    Wouldn't that be too short for a fellar like me?
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club

    chuck said:

    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


    Want to try my loaner driver? I could throw it in a box and send it your way for a bit. It's a very nice, customized Callaway from about 10 years ago with an aftermarket Matrix shaft.

    Maybe that would get you moving on upgrading your tee club. Or maybe it would do the opposite, but it wouldn't cost you anything.
    Wouldn't that be too short for a fellar like me?
    Best move I ever made was to cut off one inch from the standard length on driver and I'm like 6'2. If you are worried about accuracy, that's an option.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


    Want to try my loaner driver? I could throw it in a box and send it your way for a bit. It's a very nice, customized Callaway from about 10 years ago with an aftermarket Matrix shaft.

    Maybe that would get you moving on upgrading your tee club. Or maybe it would do the opposite, but it wouldn't cost you anything.
    Wouldn't that be too short for a fellar like me?
    It'sa function of your arm length and height and most people end up right around the 45" mark as optimal for their setup. A lot of tall guys use shortish drivers. If you're like T Rex then you want a longer one.
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266

    chuck said:

    Hit some balls last Friday for the time this season. My 5 iron driver felt good. Still need to go get my REAL Driver.

    First round of 18 in a few weekend. Can @YellowSnow break 100?


    Want to try my loaner driver? I could throw it in a box and send it your way for a bit. It's a very nice, customized Callaway from about 10 years ago with an aftermarket Matrix shaft.

    Maybe that would get you moving on upgrading your tee club. Or maybe it would do the opposite, but it wouldn't cost you anything.
    Wouldn't that be too short for a fellar like me?
    I have an off the shelf driver; recently I made the decision to choke down around 1.5 inches on every shot. Haven't done that for other clubs; driver only.

    It is amazingly more consistent now. I still hit bad shots; it's golf, but there are fewer and I still get plenty of distance.

    Broke 90 for the first time this year on Saturday #Harv90, which was nice since it led to a member-member flight win. WITH music in the cart
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Just got back from a BC golf trip up to the Kamloops area with 5 rounds in 3 days

    2 rounds at Sagebrush - 1st time there
    2 rounds at Talking Rock - 3rd time there
    1 round at Tobiano - 3rd time there

    A little bit of my thoughts on each course ...

    Sagebrush

    Been on the radar for a while and this was the first opportunity to go play it. For those that know about the course you may know that they've had some on/off ownership related challenges for the last handful of years but is now on the right track but it's still a little bit of a work in process in terms of its facilities, what it offers, and the lodging. It's a very daily exclusive course where daily play is limited to roughly 60 players per day.

    Lodging option was solid on-site with generic 2 bedrooms with 2 twins, living room, etc.

    As for the course, it's a bit of a mountain course with a links style vibe. In a lot of ways, somewhat similar to what you might get with Gamble Sands crossed with Desert Canyon maybe. Definitely some really good holes mixed with great views of Lake Nicola. Highlights of the course for me are the Par 3's that range in length, elevation changes, and impact from the wind.

    What makes the course difficult though is that besides the mountain element with elevation changes and sidehills, picking and committing to your lines off the tee I found to be a bit challenging and it results in hitting some really good shots that you end up never finding.

    I don't think I'd go out of my way per se to go back but I wouldn't be upset if a group I was part of wanted to go there again.

    Talking Rock

    Course is located about 45 minutes east of Kamloops on TransCanada 1 ... very secluded about 5 minutes off the highway. Very wooded course that can appear to be very narrow on your first playing but after getting around the course once or twice you realize that it's much more playable than you think. There's a good mix of holes here in terms of length, doglegs, and green designs on all hole types (3's, 4's, and 5's).

    Course conditioning here is top notch and you're going to find yourself hitting off of perfect fairways, lush rough, and greens that move.

    The signature hole by far is the downhill Par 3 15th that has a tremendous backdrop of the lake in the background that you can see from the tee over the tree lines.

    Tobiano

    This is unquestionably in the Top 5 to 10 courses that I've played. Almost every hole is a signature hole on most courses with so much quality throughout the course.

    Conditioning here is top notch and you can definitely find yourself in a position where the rough can be penal as it can be more on the lush and grabbing side if you find the really healthy stuff.

    Signature hole for me is tough to really pick but I'll go with the 14th that is a dogleg left tee shot that plays down to an infinity looking green with a tremendous lake/rock wall backdrop on the 2nd shot that typically is playing into a direct or in/sideways wind. That's followed by a par 3 running parallel to the lake playing into the wind that is as beautiful as it is difficult with the wind.

    Apparently the course also recently purchased the adjacent marina and will be offering golf + boating packages as early as this year. Every time that I play the course the number of housing development in/around the course increases but is doing so in a manner that actually adds to the course backdrop than taking away from it. Given it's location about 20 minutes west of Kamloops everything about it makes sense. It wouldn't shock me if development continues if a 2nd course gets announced/developed in the next 5-7 years.

    Next trip coming up is to Kelowna in June ... a place that I've never been. Definitely looking forward to that experience and playing some of new courses that look outstanding.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    Just got back from a BC golf trip up to the Kamloops area with 5 rounds in 3 days

    2 rounds at Sagebrush - 1st time there
    2 rounds at Talking Rock - 3rd time there
    1 round at Tobiano - 3rd time there

    A little bit of my thoughts on each course ...

    Sagebrush

    Been on the radar for a while and this was the first opportunity to go play it. For those that know about the course you may know that they've had some on/off ownership related challenges for the last handful of years but is now on the right track but it's still a little bit of a work in process in terms of its facilities, what it offers, and the lodging. It's a very daily exclusive course where daily play is limited to roughly 60 players per day.

    Lodging option was solid on-site with generic 2 bedrooms with 2 twins, living room, etc.

    As for the course, it's a bit of a mountain course with a links style vibe. In a lot of ways, somewhat similar to what you might get with Gamble Sands crossed with Desert Canyon maybe. Definitely some really good holes mixed with great views of Lake Nicola. Highlights of the course for me are the Par 3's that range in length, elevation changes, and impact from the wind.

    What makes the course difficult though is that besides the mountain element with elevation changes and sidehills, picking and committing to your lines off the tee I found to be a bit challenging and it results in hitting some really good shots that you end up never finding.

    I don't think I'd go out of my way per se to go back but I wouldn't be upset if a group I was part of wanted to go there again.

    Talking Rock

    Course is located about 45 minutes east of Kamloops on TransCanada 1 ... very secluded about 5 minutes off the highway. Very wooded course that can appear to be very narrow on your first playing but after getting around the course once or twice you realize that it's much more playable than you think. There's a good mix of holes here in terms of length, doglegs, and green designs on all hole types (3's, 4's, and 5's).

    Course conditioning here is top notch and you're going to find yourself hitting off of perfect fairways, lush rough, and greens that move.

    The signature hole by far is the downhill Par 3 15th that has a tremendous backdrop of the lake in the background that you can see from the tee over the tree lines.

    Tobiano

    This is unquestionably in the Top 5 to 10 courses that I've played. Almost every hole is a signature hole on most courses with so much quality throughout the course.

    Conditioning here is top notch and you can definitely find yourself in a position where the rough can be penal as it can be more on the lush and grabbing side if you find the really healthy stuff.

    Signature hole for me is tough to really pick but I'll go with the 14th that is a dogleg left tee shot that plays down to an infinity looking green with a tremendous lake/rock wall backdrop on the 2nd shot that typically is playing into a direct or in/sideways wind. That's followed by a par 3 running parallel to the lake playing into the wind that is as beautiful as it is difficult with the wind.

    Apparently the course also recently purchased the adjacent marina and will be offering golf + boating packages as early as this year. Every time that I play the course the number of housing development in/around the course increases but is doing so in a manner that actually adds to the course backdrop than taking away from it. Given it's location about 20 minutes west of Kamloops everything about it makes sense. It wouldn't shock me if development continues if a 2nd course gets announced/developed in the next 5-7 years.

    Next trip coming up is to Kelowna in June ... a place that I've never been. Definitely looking forward to that experience and playing some of new courses that look outstanding.

    Pics?
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Just got back from a BC golf trip up to the Kamloops area with 5 rounds in 3 days

    2 rounds at Sagebrush - 1st time there
    2 rounds at Talking Rock - 3rd time there
    1 round at Tobiano - 3rd time there

    A little bit of my thoughts on each course ...

    Sagebrush

    Been on the radar for a while and this was the first opportunity to go play it. For those that know about the course you may know that they've had some on/off ownership related challenges for the last handful of years but is now on the right track but it's still a little bit of a work in process in terms of its facilities, what it offers, and the lodging. It's a very daily exclusive course where daily play is limited to roughly 60 players per day.

    Lodging option was solid on-site with generic 2 bedrooms with 2 twins, living room, etc.

    As for the course, it's a bit of a mountain course with a links style vibe. In a lot of ways, somewhat similar to what you might get with Gamble Sands crossed with Desert Canyon maybe. Definitely some really good holes mixed with great views of Lake Nicola. Highlights of the course for me are the Par 3's that range in length, elevation changes, and impact from the wind.

    What makes the course difficult though is that besides the mountain element with elevation changes and sidehills, picking and committing to your lines off the tee I found to be a bit challenging and it results in hitting some really good shots that you end up never finding.

    I don't think I'd go out of my way per se to go back but I wouldn't be upset if a group I was part of wanted to go there again.

    Talking Rock

    Course is located about 45 minutes east of Kamloops on TransCanada 1 ... very secluded about 5 minutes off the highway. Very wooded course that can appear to be very narrow on your first playing but after getting around the course once or twice you realize that it's much more playable than you think. There's a good mix of holes here in terms of length, doglegs, and green designs on all hole types (3's, 4's, and 5's).

    Course conditioning here is top notch and you're going to find yourself hitting off of perfect fairways, lush rough, and greens that move.

    The signature hole by far is the downhill Par 3 15th that has a tremendous backdrop of the lake in the background that you can see from the tee over the tree lines.

    Tobiano

    This is unquestionably in the Top 5 to 10 courses that I've played. Almost every hole is a signature hole on most courses with so much quality throughout the course.

    Conditioning here is top notch and you can definitely find yourself in a position where the rough can be penal as it can be more on the lush and grabbing side if you find the really healthy stuff.

    Signature hole for me is tough to really pick but I'll go with the 14th that is a dogleg left tee shot that plays down to an infinity looking green with a tremendous lake/rock wall backdrop on the 2nd shot that typically is playing into a direct or in/sideways wind. That's followed by a par 3 running parallel to the lake playing into the wind that is as beautiful as it is difficult with the wind.

    Apparently the course also recently purchased the adjacent marina and will be offering golf + boating packages as early as this year. Every time that I play the course the number of housing development in/around the course increases but is doing so in a manner that actually adds to the course backdrop than taking away from it. Given it's location about 20 minutes west of Kamloops everything about it makes sense. It wouldn't shock me if development continues if a 2nd course gets announced/developed in the next 5-7 years.

    Next trip coming up is to Kelowna in June ... a place that I've never been. Definitely looking forward to that experience and playing some of new courses that look outstanding.

    Pics?




  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Picture 1 = Sagebrush from a high point on the property overlooking the property and Lake Nicola

    Picture 2 = Tobiano from the 14th fairway looking down towards an infinity green

    Picture 3 = Tobiano's 15th hole from the tee box

    Picture 4 = Talking Rock's 15th hole from the tee box
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    Picture 1 = Sagebrush from a high point on the property overlooking the property and Lake Nicola

    Picture 2 = Tobiano from the 14th fairway looking down towards an infinity green

    Picture 3 = Tobiano's 15th hole from the tee box

    Picture 4 = Talking Rock's 15th hole from the tee box

    Do they play linksy in terms of conditions and types of shots required?
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Picture 1 = Sagebrush from a high point on the property overlooking the property and Lake Nicola

    Picture 2 = Tobiano from the 14th fairway looking down towards an infinity green

    Picture 3 = Tobiano's 15th hole from the tee box

    Picture 4 = Talking Rock's 15th hole from the tee box

    Do they play linksy in terms of conditions and types of shots required?
    Sagebrush plays probably more like a links than not - if/when the wind blows off the lake you can get some very interesting holes. There are definitely holes where you have speed slots, opportunities to run the ball onto the green via openings and ramps, and some very very large green complexes. That said, there are also holes that require various forms of forced carries and definitely some blind shots.

    Talking Rock plays more like a woodland course with trees lining most holes. By and large you are looking more at doglegs, elevation changes, and bunkers being the primary themes.

    Tobiano could be considered a links style course but I wouldn't describe it as such. There are a number of forced carries and doglegs in place with well placed bunkering. Instead of a traditional links course, I'd probably put the course more in an Irish theme than a Scottish theme.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club
    Maybe Block is like Brooks and only cares about the majors.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club


    15. 5

    A brilliant example of stupid stats

    Do Tiger at 36 starts then pop off

    But Brooks is impressive. I even like him now

    Stay healthy.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,216 Founders Club
    edited June 2023
    I got 3 pars playing 18 on Saturday for the first time on my life. But all the triple bogeys really fucked me hard.




    The young couple that got paired with us @Tequilla was playing music in the cart. I was chill and didn't give them too much crap.

    One of the pars Teq was on 17.


  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    I think the last time I played 17 I pretty much skull fucked an iron into and off the back bank and it came back onto the green ... fortunately the pin was in the back and I had a tap in par

    17 is easily one of the best holes at your humble club ... short pins give you a scoring club but zero margin for error on the miss short/left/right whereas deep pins can give you a nice backstop to play long IF you are able to execute your shot.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,216 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    I think the last time I played 17 I pretty much skull fucked an iron into and off the back bank and it came back onto the green ... fortunately the pin was in the back and I had a tap in par

    17 is easily one of the best holes at your humble club ... short pins give you a scoring club but zero margin for error on the miss short/left/right whereas deep pins can give you a nice backstop to play long IF you are able to execute your shot.

    Pin placement on Sat was lower green just like in this pic. I hit the upper green with my 7 iron. Got lucky on the read on very long put going down hill and had a makeable par put.

    I usually have epic melt downs on most Tetherow holes but somehow this one came together for me.

    Consistency is what make a great golfer.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Tequilla said:

    I think the last time I played 17 I pretty much skull fucked an iron into and off the back bank and it came back onto the green ... fortunately the pin was in the back and I had a tap in par

    17 is easily one of the best holes at your humble club ... short pins give you a scoring club but zero margin for error on the miss short/left/right whereas deep pins can give you a nice backstop to play long IF you are able to execute your shot.

    Pin placement on Sat was lower green just like in this pic. I hit the upper green with my 7 iron. Got lucky on the read on very long put going down hill and had a makeable par put.

    I usually have epic melt downs on most Tetherow holes but somehow this one came together for me.

    Consistency is what make a great golfer.
    You couldn't be more accurate about consistency

    I was playing on Friday and had a stretch of 7 hole that I played at 1 over with 3 putts that lipped out ... it wasn't that I necessarily played great in that stretch but I wasn't making mistakes that I couldn't overcome

    I'm pretty convinced that I could shave 2-3 shots off my handicap by just being smarter in my decisions on the course ... and it's an area that I tend to think I'm better at than most people that I play with
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266
    Hero ball rarely works in golf

    Music in the cart always works
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,637 Founders Club
    Luckily for me, I never cared about LIV's Saudi backing.

    Others are going to be in a bit of moralistic pickle moving forward. I guess Phil was right.



  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
    Money talks. Norman gave his life again for the players. Word is that he is out.

    I'm glad to see Brooksie back. Mike Salk wondering what happened to green washing was amusing this morning. It was never about principle. It's about money

  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266
    Well that's more than a little surprising, and not at all what I expected to happen in 2023.

    Phil sure seemed right. Had to be some info in Discovery of all the lawsuits that no one wanted to ever see the light of day.