Race Bannon's OFFICIAL Golf Talk 2023-2024 Thread
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I think the Lee Westwood types that everyone forgot about and don't care about won big too
Now the top players will earn NFL money but not the has beens
I would have taken the money except if I was Tiger
Brooks took the money and got healthy and is now back. Another winner -
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McIlroy, who also attended, reportedly didn’t say much during the meeting, except for one brief exchange with Grayson Murray.
“He only responded to Grayson when Grayson was going off on tangents, outbursts, saying like, ‘We don’t trust you, Jay! You should resign right now! You lied to our face!'” said the anonymous player. “I forget exactly what led to this, but Rory goes, ‘Just play better, Grayson,’ and that got a bad response from the crowd.”
And according to two sources, Murray, a recent winner on the Korn Ferry Tour, responded to McIlroy by telling him to, “F--- off!”
Bryan later said on Twitter that Murray and McIlroy “were cordial and pleasant post-meeting” as McIlroy stuck around to provide some insight and answer questions. “We chatted as a group of players, and we were laughing about the comment,” Bryan said. “No beef or hard feelings either way.” -
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Rory should be focusing on hitting wedges onto the green from 100 yards out.
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He'd win 8 times a yearBob_C said:Rory should be focusing on hitting wedges onto the green from 100 yards out.
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I like Speith at LACC. Super wide fairways and lots of short grass around the greens. Course looks incredible.
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#MeTooBob_C said:Rory should be focusing on hitting wedges onto the green from 100 yards out.
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The best US Open courses are always in CA. How did LA get it this time? Seems like they always rotate through TP, Pebble Beach and Olympic in SF.Bob_C said:I like Speith at LACC. Super wide fairways and lots of short grass around the greens. Course looks incredible.
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Have to disagree with you as an architecture snob. Torrey is one of the worst sites. Olympic is marginal and quite uninteresting. Pebble can be good, but it really needs a renovation. Rivera is a better course than all of those hands down.YellowSnow said:
The best US Open courses are always in CA. How did LA get it this time? Seems like they always rotate through TP, Pebble Beach and Olympic in SF.Bob_C said:I like Speith at LACC. Super wide fairways and lots of short grass around the greens. Course looks incredible.
Sad that @RaceBannon moved back to the shite hole that is WA.
Shinnecock and Oakmont are hands down the best two rotation sites. -
Pinehurst #2 would like a word
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The renovated version is vastly better than the Payne Stewart version. Terrible tournament last time it was there (only one since the renovation), so it's still in let it play out mode for me.whlinder said:Pinehurst #2 would like a word
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For christ's sake, The Lodge at Torrey Pines is an architectural masterpiece. I've had many romantical getaways there.Bob_C said:
Have to disagree with you as an architecture snob. Torrey is one of the worst sites. Olympic is marginal and quite uninteresting. Pebble can be good, but it really needs a renovation. Rivera is a better course than all of those hands down.YellowSnow said:
The best US Open courses are always in CA. How did LA get it this time? Seems like they always rotate through TP, Pebble Beach and Olympic in SF.Bob_C said:I like Speith at LACC. Super wide fairways and lots of short grass around the greens. Course looks incredible.
Sad that @RaceBannon moved back to the shite hole that is WA.
Shinnecock and Oakmont are hands down the best two rotation sites.
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I've walked Pebble and Torrey. Big fan. Not a big northeast old school USGA guy. I do like the Riviera tournament every year
The US Open can be boring or great anywhere
Agree that Olympic sucks
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Ok Billy Casper is somebody
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Really? Olympic looks so cool on TV and in pics. I've only driven by it thought and never walked around the actual course.RaceBannon said:I've walked Pebble and Torrey. Big fan. Not a big northeast old school USGA guy. I do like the Riviera tournament every year
The US Open can be boring or great anywhere
Agree that Olympic sucks
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My issue with Torrie is pure course snobbery. It is on some of the best property you could ever ask for, but the course doesn’t use hardly any of it. Bunkers on both sides of the landing zones and crazy thick rough everywhere else. Not much strategy required there. It’s boring in February or June.
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Full disclosure (it's not obvious already) - I'm a total hacker and not nearly the golf aficionado that some of you all are. But I enjoy the game and am trying slowly to get better.Bob_C said:My issue with Torrie is pure course snobbery. It is on some of the best property you could ever ask for, but the course doesn’t use hardly any of it. Bunkers on both sides of the landing zones and crazy thick rough everywhere else. Not much strategy required there. It’s boring in February or June.
I think when I've been at Torrey Pines (never played it) hiking around and what not I get distracted by the property and views. So yeah, maybe it lacks some of the interesting features that other US Open level courses have. -
whlinder said:
Hero ball rarely works in golf
MusicEdibles in the cart always works -
Real golf aficionados prefer the stinky smoke of a fresh bowl or joint. Not the faggy edibles.PurpleThrobber said:whlinder said:Hero ball rarely works in golf
MusicEdibles in the cart always works
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I agree with decision making a big difference, but I don't play for money and want to get my money's worth. If I can cut a little off a corner and drive a green or set up going for a par 5 in two I'm doing it.Tequilla said:
You couldn't be more accurate about consistencyYellowSnow said:
Pin placement on Sat was lower green just like in this pic. I hit the upper green with my 7 iron. Got lucky on the read on very long put going down hill and had a makeable par put.Tequilla said:I think the last time I played 17 I pretty much skull fucked an iron into and off the back bank and it came back onto the green ... fortunately the pin was in the back and I had a tap in par
17 is easily one of the best holes at your humble club ... short pins give you a scoring club but zero margin for error on the miss short/left/right whereas deep pins can give you a nice backstop to play long IF you are able to execute your shot.
I usually have epic melt downs on most Tetherow holes but somehow this one came together for me.
Consistency is what make a great golfer.
I was playing on Friday and had a stretch of 7 hole that I played at 1 over with 3 putts that lipped out ... it wasn't that I necessarily played great in that stretch but I wasn't making mistakes that I couldn't overcome
I'm pretty convinced that I could shave 2-3 shots off my handicap by just being smarter in my decisions on the course ... and it's an area that I tend to think I'm better at than most people that I play with
My home course has a very reachable par 5 9th. The pond on the left cuts into the front half of the green and makes it very narrow, and there are trees guarding the right side. The opening is about 15-20 yards wide. A good drive with the usual wind will leave about 200 yards, maybe less, but it's reachable for me out to about 260 if I hit a weak drive because of the slope and wind. The ball rolls forever.
I've thrown away more sub 80 rounds on that hole than any other but I can't resist. I go for the green every time I have a clear look. The pond catches at least half of them. I get pissed at myself but I have accepted that hole as either a birdie or a lost ball and likely bogie.
I'm a pretty bad pot head but I'm way too mentally fragile to smoke and golf. At least I always was in the past. I haven't tried in in years. I'd olay poorly and just be pissed at myself the whole time.YellowSnow said:
Real golf aficionados prefer the stinky smoke of a fresh bowl or joint. Not the faggy edibles.PurpleThrobber said:whlinder said:Hero ball rarely works in golf
MusicEdibles in the cart always works
I definitely welcome the smell of smoke from my playing partners, but if they need to bump some reggae to enhance the vibe they can do it through some fucking ear buds. Fuckers. -
@chuck
I'll give you a great example of what I mean by decision making (at least for me)
Was playing yesterday and was on a Par 3 that was about 166 or so to a back pin. I hit my 7 160 and 6 170 or thereabouts. The Par 3 playing had water the entire left side of the green and a bunker to the right ... a right miss wasn't great because everything slopes away down to the water.
As I was choosing clubs my thought process was hit the 7 because it's better to be under the hole than flying the green which could have been possible with the 6. What I failed to factor in was that subconsciously I would know that the 7 needed a little extra to get all the way back and I'd swing a little harder trying to get the most out of it ... problem is that my miss when I do that is getting my hips through too quick and missing left
Of course I got through too quick and knew right off the club face that I was in the water
Decision making is so difficult because even when you make the "right" decision you also have to set the "right" expectation on the shot ... in this case realizing that a 7 to the front to middle of the green was an acceptable outcome. I ended up hitting a 2nd ball, set the proper expectations for a front half of the green shot, and landed on the dance floor.
It's the greatest and most maddening game there is ...
As an aside since there's been a lot of talk with Rory and wedges ... my $0.02 on it is that too often I see him trying to hit the perfect shot on wedges (particularly to back pins) and then juices the over the green. What's the tour average from 100 yards ... 20-25 feet? It's at least 90% mental and having the wrong expectations. -
On Rory’s wedges, he does air mail greens a lot. Never really see him the flighted low one that good wedge players use a lot, too much of the throw up in the air as high as possible. No one is missing long with the flighted wedge.
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Good description @Tequilla. I have a similar thought process on approach shots and par 3s. For me there are subtle things about my timing, feel wtc that vary every time out. Whether I try to juice a 7 or go easy with a 6 depends on how I feel. Some days I'm better off swinging near 100%, some days im feeling more of a knockdown game. Some days I should just punch and run a hybrid on every shot 150 yards or longer. That kind of decision making, and how early in the round I figure out what's working the best, can make a huge difference in my score.
Couldn't agree more. I don't always execute it but I try to flight most of my wedge shots low. Generally this means clubbing up and hitting it easy without a bunch of spin. When I'm really feeling it I can play it low and hard (lol) with spin. I laugh at my playing partners who blast away with their wedges. They don't know how far the shot is going but get lucky often enough to keep doing it. I love all the scalded shots over the green and sky balls that fall short in between the lucky ones.Bob_C said:On Rory’s wedges, he does air mail greens a lot. Never really see him the flighted low one that good wedge players use a lot, too much of the throw up in the air as high as possible. No one is missing long with the flighted wedge.
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If I could play every hole like my 3 best holes of they day, I'd be a low 80s guy.chuck said:Good description @Tequilla. I have a similar thought process on approach shots and par 3s. For me there are subtle things about my timing, feel wtc that vary every time out. Whether I try to juice a 7 or go easy with a 6 depends on how I feel. Some days I'm better off swinging near 100%, some days im feeling more of a knockdown game. Some days I should just punch and run a hybrid on every shot 150 yards or longer. That kind of decision making, and how early in the round I figure out what's working the best, can make a huge difference in my score.
Couldn't agree more. I don't always execute it but I try to flight most of my wedge shots low. Generally this means clubbing up and hitting it easy without a bunch of spin. When I'm really feeling it I can play it low and hard (lol) with spin. I laugh at my playing partners who blast away with their wedges. They don't know how far the shot is going but get lucky often enough to keep doing it. I love all the scalded shots over the green and sky balls that fall short in between the lucky ones.Bob_C said:On Rory’s wedges, he does air mail greens a lot. Never really see him the flighted low one that good wedge players use a lot, too much of the throw up in the air as high as possible. No one is missing long with the flighted wedge.
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Where I find it amusing is that most people can't hit their yardages consistently ... for some clubs that makes sense but I'd say for 6 irons through at least PW you should be relatively consistent with your yardages on non mishits
With my PW for example I have 3 shots that I play:
Full PW is about 125
1/2 PW is about 100
3/4 PW is about 115
I don't necessarily try to hit with different lofts outside of whatever the contact is and the nature of the swing (1/2 swing typically is lower and goes from there)
Where I get in the most trouble with the 1/2 and 3/4 swings is I find it easier to lose balance in those swings and get a little chunky at times ... much more likely to chunk than to hit thin
With a 56 and 60 ... it's much more hit or miss for me in terms of contact on a full swing and I generally try to avoid those swings unless there is a compelling reason (typically I have to be swinging well to feel confident with those clubs)
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I added "the skipper" about 20 years ago, and saved strokes for sure. Back in the stance, one-club-up, hop, hop, stop. Thank you David Toms...Bob_C said:On Rory’s wedges, he does air mail greens a lot. Never really see him the flighted low one that good wedge players use a lot, too much of the throw up in the air as high as possible. No one is missing long with the flighted wedge.
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140 yard sawed off 7 iron to back pin on a shelf… OrgasmicFishpo31 said:
I added "the skipper" about 20 years ago, and saved strokes for sure. Back in the stance, one-club-up, hop, hop, stop. Thank you David Toms...Bob_C said:On Rory’s wedges, he does air mail greens a lot. Never really see him the flighted low one that good wedge players use a lot, too much of the throw up in the air as high as possible. No one is missing long with the flighted wedge.
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What are you measuring yardage to? Landing or total including roll?Tequilla said:Where I find it amusing is that most people can't hit their yardages consistently ... for some clubs that makes sense but I'd say for 6 irons through at least PW you should be relatively consistent with your yardages on non mishits
With my PW for example I have 3 shots that I play:
Full PW is about 125
1/2 PW is about 100
3/4 PW is about 115
I don't necessarily try to hit with different lofts outside of whatever the contact is and the nature of the swing (1/2 swing typically is lower and goes from there)
Where I get in the most trouble with the 1/2 and 3/4 swings is I find it easier to lose balance in those swings and get a little chunky at times ... much more likely to chunk than to hit thin
With a 56 and 60 ... it's much more hit or miss for me in terms of contact on a full swing and I generally try to avoid those swings unless there is a compelling reason (typically I have to be swinging well to feel confident with those clubs)
If I'm in the fairway 50 yards with an open green ... much more likely to hit an 8 or 9 pitch and run than I am to try to loft something up in the air
Cause distance can vary significantly by lie and temperature. In many cases I can get two extra clubs worth of distance with a flyer rough lie, or if the ground is hard I will get 15 extra yards of roll so need to club down.
I try to factor all that in. I’ve airmailed fewer greens by really checking the rough lie.
