"I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger."
Your statement is simply not true. Yes, the lazy fuckers that work a minimum wage job (that doesn't provide a living wage) will certainly use food stamps - the ambitious ones will work more than one job.
Minimum wage jobs were never meant to provide a living wage to support a family of four. They are meant to provide some income for those without marketable skills.
I think minimum wage should be able to support a family of four but not five. That would be ridiculous.
Translation: "I think minimum wage should support 0.2 people but not 0.5. That would be ridiculous."
"I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger."
Your statement is simply not true. Yes, the lazy fuckers that work a minimum wage job (that doesn't provide a living wage) will certainly use food stamps - the ambitious ones will work more than one job.
Minimum wage jobs were never meant to provide a living wage to support a family of four. They are meant to provide some income for those without marketable skills.
I think minimum wage should be able to support a family of four but not five. That would be ridiculous.
Translation: "I think minimum wage should support 0.2 people but not 0.5. That would be ridiculous."
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?
I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.
Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.
I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)
It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).
There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes. 2. Ok. I believe you. 3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique. 4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse. 5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
1. Heyne in Kane. Got it. 2. Duh 3. Is that what MSNBC told you to say? Cunt. But what you said in point 3 (above ) is not an ad hominem attack. And I know you thought it was. 4. Disagree. Building a starwman means your not able to debate the issue so you make shit up. 5 year olds do that when they are caught in a tough situation 5. I have both books and have read both books. I also refer my well worn copy of the Marx-Engles Reader fairly often when debating socialist Fucktards in real life.
6. Are we arguing or agreeing? Seems like we're on the same page here. 7. ? 8. profit
re #6, of course. but that's like saying we agree that it's Monday. who cares whether we agree or not. it is fucking Monday. and likewise minimum wage laws create shortages in the demand market for labor in our system. there are 1.5 million problems that occur at the legislative level in the cuntry, and that one is like #987. it's so overwhelming that my pea brain cannot assimilate it.
re #3, I don't know why you give me that question. who is this MSNBC you speak of? does he poast here?
re #3, look, I am a trained, professional philosophizer who hails from the hallowed grounds of Savory Hall, so don't fuck with me on the latin rhetorical device references, cuz I'll take you down, all the way down to China town. let's just say, sure, not exactly ad hominem, and let's just say, sure, my comments on your gripping thoughts about companion dogs wasn't really either. it's close enough for me. if you feel the need to be more precise, then go fuck yourself with it. twat lips.
re#5, good for you. tell the socialist fucktards I said, "hello". and I should correct myself - Marx didn't say precisely that capitalism pulls people out of poverty. what he said was that it is the best system we've come up with, to date, to eliminate scarcity. I suppose those are one in the same, but an argument can be made that they're not. maybe that's why he went off the reservation, partially abandoned his earlier theory of historical materialism and wrote the manifesto. or maybe he was bored.
re #8, what is this profit thing you speak of?
Pressing
I see your blood sugar is low this afternoon.
What, no more material from freshman year to shove down our throats?
Have a drink and relax. Fuck face.
Badly
desperate appeals to "pressing" is, oddly enough, pressing.
why don't you just say you've got nothing. at least it would be honest.
and you should quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. jesus. either he doesn't get it, or he's whooshing the living shit out of you.
WA State's minimum wage is already the highest in the nation and chained to the CPI.
With our profligate spending (nearly 2/3 of spending is now on some sort of welfare, food stamp, or entitlement spending at the Federal level) and our whore of a Central Bank attempting to deep throat inflation via QE and ZIRP, real purchasing power has been declining for most people (since they don't own reinflated stocks and million dollar + houses).
The $15 NOW! retards are only addressing a symptom of the disease rather than the disease itself (Big Government and A Massive Fed Balance Sheet).
Oh and Public Sector Unions at the Fed, State, County, and City level are bleeding all of us indentured servants in the private sector. Public Sector Unions has us by the captive balls and need to DIAFF.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
OKB you're one of my favorite posters here but Damone is tearing up all of your assholes who agree to raising the minimum wage. Yes, 8-10$/hr is barely a living wage nowadays without being extremely frugal, but it's not like you can't get a 2nd job, go back to school (I'm surprised how many morons go to school for free) get some crowd funding idea, go make an app (You don't need to be some elite programmer to do any of that), etc. This is how these CEO's got to make obscene money, they grew the fucking company to the point where it could hire a ton of workers. And yes some of them may act like extravagant pigs, some of them work insanely hard and don't show off their money as much, but the common denominator is that if they fuck up the company, they will be gone (or if it's their own business, they're fucked). It's the risk you take.
raising the minimum is a fucking bad idea and a lot of the people in Seattle who voted for it will regret it if they're actually being objective about it afterwards and own a small business or are working these kind of jobs. fyfmfe
And yes everything I just said is pre-Econ101 shit. Fuck off
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
sounds like there will be more people available to work in my yard and hang/remove Christmas lights for a reasonable fee. Marcos and his crew were getting pretty sloppy as it was, presumably because they were starting to see options to working for me. a little competition in the illegal labor market never hurts.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
sounds like there will be more people available to work in my yard and hang/remove Christmas lights for a reasonable fee. Marcos and his crew were getting pretty sloppy as it was, presumably because they were starting to see options to working for me. a little competition in the illegal labor market never hurts.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
sounds like there will be more people available to work in my yard and hang/remove Christmas lights for a reasonable fee. Marcos and his crew were getting pretty sloppy as it was, presumably because they were starting to see options to working for me. a little competition in the illegal labor market never hurts.
so where's the problem again?
That would be illegal....
remember Mike, it's not illegal if you don't think it is. reference George Costanza.
OKB you're one of my favorite posters here but Damone is tearing up all of your assholes who agree to raising the minimum wage. Yes, 8-10$/hr is barely a living wage nowadays without being extremely frugal, but it's not like you can't get a 2nd job, go back to school (I'm surprised how many morons go to school for free) get some crowd funding idea, go make an app (You don't need to be some elite programmer to do any of that), etc. This is how these CEO's got to make obscene money, they grew the fucking company to the point where it could hire a ton of workers. And yes some of them may act like extravagant pigs, some of them work insanely hard and don't show off their money as much, but the common denominator is that if they fuck up the company, they will be gone (or if it's their own business, they're fucked). It's the risk you take.
raising the minimum is a fucking bad idea and a lot of the people in Seattle who voted for it will regret it if they're actually being objective about it afterwards and own a small business or are working these kind of jobs. fyfmfe
And yes everything I just said is pre-Econ101 shit. Fuck off
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
Really? A $10.10 minimum wage is going to cost 500,000 jobs? Sounds like there's currently an overstock of useless jobs that don't even need to exist. Of course we are assuming here that the businesses currently offering these jobs are offering them not because they need them filled but simply from good will and the desire to pay someone a wage even though the job is completely unnecessary. The only difference between a libtard and a libertariantard are a few letters in the alphabet. Both are extremist in their views. BTW, instead of regurgitating the propaganda that someone else cut and pasted from a spurious website, why don't you explain to us, again, why 500,000 people would be shut out of the oconomy if minimum wage is raised to $10.10, since you cited the quote in your post.
Here's my response to the $15 minimum wage thingy:
Big fucking deal.
Some people will be priced out of jobs, some business will raise their prices. But in the end, good business people will remain successful and good employees will remain employed.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
Really? A $10.10 minimum wage is going to cost 500,000 jobs? Sounds like there's currently an overstock of useless jobs that don't even need to exist. Of course we are assuming here that the businesses currently offering these jobs are offering them not because they need them filled but simply from good will and the desire to pay someone a wage even though the job is completely unnecessary. The only difference between a libtard and a libertariantard are a few letters in the alphabet. Both are extremist in their views. BTW, instead of regurgitating the propaganda that someone else cut and pasted from a spurious website, why don't you explain to us, again, why 500,000 people would be shut out of the oconomy if minimum wage is raised to $10.10, since you cited the quote in your post.
now I know you're whooshing Mike. either that or you are a Husky posing as a Duck trying to make Oregon look bad, which would be just shameful - who does that?
there is no way your post is serious, unless your name is krisvashon. but i know her style and that ain't it. she's not clever enough to act stupid in a new way.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
Really? A $10.10 minimum wage is going to cost 500,000 jobs? Sounds like there's currently an overstock of useless jobs that don't even need to exist. Of course we are assuming here that the businesses currently offering these jobs are offering them not because they need them filled but simply from good will and the desire to pay someone a wage even though the job is completely unnecessary. The only difference between a libtard and a libertariantard are a few letters in the alphabet. Both are extremist in their views. BTW, instead of regurgitating the propaganda that someone else cut and pasted from a spurious website, why don't you explain to us, again, why 500,000 people would be shut out of the oconomy if minimum wage is raised to $10.10, since you cited the quote in your post.
After you were bitch slapped again you could have just said, yeah, but still...
Good thing there are people like you to make sure other can't work because their skills are worth less than 10.10 an hour. You are truly compassionate.
Yes, I'm sure businesses are hiring people to do work that isn't needed and unnecessarily increasing their costs because they are just being nice. I'm starting to think creepy is right and you're pulling off a wooosh. Because no one can be this economically illiterate. Basic Heyne in Kane stuff here.
Here is the "propaganda" from the Congressional Budget Office and their spurious website.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
Really? A $10.10 minimum wage is going to cost 500,000 jobs? Sounds like there's currently an overstock of useless jobs that don't even need to exist. Of course we are assuming here that the businesses currently offering these jobs are offering them not because they need them filled but simply from good will and the desire to pay someone a wage even though the job is completely unnecessary. The only difference between a libtard and a libertariantard are a few letters in the alphabet. Both are extremist in their views. BTW, instead of regurgitating the propaganda that someone else cut and pasted from a spurious website, why don't you explain to us, again, why 500,000 people would be shut out of the oconomy if minimum wage is raised to $10.10, since you cited the quote in your post.
now I know you're whooshing Mike. either that or you are a Husky posing as a Duck trying to make Oregon look bad, which would be just shameful - who does that?
there is no way your post is serious, unless your name is krisvashon. but i know her style and that ain't it. she's not clever enough to act stupid in a new way.
I'm starting to lean whoosh...but maybe Oregon has a krisvashon of their own.
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.
You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.
I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
Yeah, but still. Other people will get a raise as they will be better off and won't be getting jip'd...
Why don't you stop pressing and explain to us all why $10.10 will severely harm the economy.
What about the 500,000? ... should they come live with you?
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why don't you just say you've got nothing. at least it would be honest.
and you should quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. jesus. either he doesn't get it, or he's whooshing the living shit out of you.
fag.
With our profligate spending (nearly 2/3 of spending is now on some sort of welfare, food stamp, or entitlement spending at the Federal level) and our whore of a Central Bank attempting to deep throat inflation via QE and ZIRP, real purchasing power has been declining for most people (since they don't own reinflated stocks and million dollar + houses).
The $15 NOW! retards are only addressing a symptom of the disease rather than the disease itself (Big Government and A Massive Fed Balance Sheet).
Oh and Public Sector Unions at the Fed, State, County, and City level are bleeding all of us indentured servants in the private sector. Public Sector Unions has us by the captive balls and need to DIAFF.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
I don't think "pressing" means what you think it does.
Did I say that 10.10 would severely harm the economy?
But you can find this a couple of posts up, If you take two seconds to read:
CBO forecasts a net loss of 500,000 jobs if Obama's minimum wage is raised to $10.10/hr.
- that is 500,000 people shut out of the Oconomy... and any chance of climbing the economic ladder, altogether (... and that's at $10.10 not $15) What about them?
HTH
And CreepyCoug tells me I need quit picking on people who can't seem to punch back. (he was referring to you).
fuck those guys.
so where's the problem again?
Big fucking deal.
Some people will be priced out of jobs, some business will raise their prices. But in the end, good business people will remain successful and good employees will remain employed.
Now all you fuckers can shut up.
there is no way your post is serious, unless your name is krisvashon. but i know her style and that ain't it. she's not clever enough to act stupid in a new way.
Good thing there are people like you to make sure other can't work because their skills are worth less than 10.10 an hour. You are truly compassionate.
Yes, I'm sure businesses are hiring people to do work that isn't needed and unnecessarily increasing their costs because they are just being nice. I'm starting to think creepy is right and you're pulling off a wooosh. Because no one can be this economically illiterate. Basic Heyne in Kane stuff here.
Here is the "propaganda" from the Congressional Budget Office and their spurious website.
cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44995-MinimumWage.pdf