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MikeDamone · June 2014

watchdog.org/148542/minimum-wage-seattle-3/

topdawgnc · June 2014

poast of the day

GrundleStiltzkin · June 2014

Gotta respect the transparency somewhere.

creepycoug · June 2014

But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

PurpleJ · June 2014

I always knew the $15 minimum wage would result in inflation, I just didn't think it would be so soon.

MikeDamone · June 2014

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently and for the long term. So I'm not sure what the evolution would be to.

creepycoug · June 2014

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.

1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
2. Ok. I believe you.
3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.

MikeDamone · June 2014

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
2. Ok. I believe you.
3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.

1. Heyne in Kane. Got it.
2. Duh
3. Is that what MSNBC told you to say? Cunt. But what you said in point 3 (above ) is not an ad hominem attack. And I know you thought it was.
4. Disagree. Building a starwman means your not able to debate the issue so you make shit up. 5 year olds do that when they are caught in a tough situation
5. I have both books and have read both books. I also refer my well worn copy of the Marx-Engles Reader fairly often when debating socialist Fucktards in real life.

6. Are we arguing or agreeing? Seems like we're on the same page here.
7. ?
8. profit

Swaye · June 2014

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
2. Ok. I believe you.
3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.

Upvoted for pedantic twat pimple. That's going into my rotation.

QuornDawg · June 2014

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
2. Ok. I believe you.
3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
Upvoted for pedantic twat pimple. That's going into my rotation.

pedantictwatdoog would be a good screen name.

TierbsHsotBoobs · June 2014

monroecougdad said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:
But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
2. Ok. I believe you.
3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
Upvoted for pedantic twat pimple. That's going into my rotation.
pedantictwatdoog would be a good screen name.

This would have been a much better post had you bothered to use that handle to make said post.

Dardanus · June 2014

creepycoug said:
...

I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

...

I like how you loosely define economic output as "goods and services" and crisply define it as "shit."

jecornel · June 2014

Not that I agree with the hike, though it will be phased in over 4 to 7 years depending on business. It's not like everyone has to be paying it tomorrow. let it play out or move out. You can thank the government and all the geniuses that work there.

Raising minimum wage isn't the answer, the rich can spend their money on so many pairs shoes, clothes and vacations and the pillow fluffers, food service slaves, and the toilet that the rich and middle class rely for their comfort and people shit on need somewhat of a livable wage.
Hell the people that pick all your beautiful food at Whole Foods make about $40 bucks a on 14 hour work day. No one give a shit about these people.

Damone? I am sure you have the answer?

Also, if you still consider yourself a repbulican or a democrat you might as well DIAF. Same party expect for 2 or 3 wedge issues. Both parties love big government, invading other countries, killing people and spying on the American sheep. Obama's kill list and drone program would be hailed by repubs if it were Bush's program and the dems would be screaming to the skies that bush is a murderer.....of course the dems don't say shit.
All partisan BS.

This country is screwed until congressmen start fearing for their lives. They work about 30-40 days a year and are paid a low salary of a 174k...and they bitch they can't live on that.

TierbsHsotBoobs · June 2014

jecornel said:
Not that I agree with the hike, though it will be phased in over 4 to 7 years depending on business. It's not like everyone has to be paying it tomorrow. let it play out or move out. You can thank the government and all the geniuses that work there.

Raising minimum wage isn't the answer, the rich can spend their money on so many pairs shoes, clothes and vacations and the pillow fluffers, food service slaves, and the toilet that the rich and middle class rely for their comfort and people shit on need somewhat of a livable wage.
Hell the people that pick all your beautiful food at Whole Foods make about $40 bucks a on 14 hour work day. No one give a shit about these people.

Damone? I am sure you have the answer?

Also, if you still consider yourself a repbulican or a democrat you might as well DIAF. Same party expect for 2 or 3 wedge issues. Both parties love big government, invading other countries, killing people and spying on the American sheep. Obama's kill list and drone program would be hailed by repubs if it were Bush's program and the dems would be screaming to the skies that bush is a murderer.....of course the dems don't say shit.
All partisan BS.

This country is screwed until congressmen start fearing for their lives. They work about 30-40 days a year and are paid a low salary of a 174k...and they bitch they can't live on that.

LEAVE!

MikeDamone · June 2014

jecornel said:
Not that I agree with the hike, though it will be phased in over 4 to 7 years depending on business. It's not like everyone has to be paying it tomorrow. let it play out or move out. You can thank the government and all the geniuses that work there.

Raising minimum wage isn't the answer, the rich can spend their money on so many pairs shoes, clothes and vacations and the pillow fluffers, food service slaves, and the toilet that the rich and middle class rely for their comfort and people shit on need somewhat of a livable wage.
Hell the people that pick all your beautiful food at Whole Foods make about $40 bucks a on 14 hour work day. No one give a shit about these people.

Damone? I am sure you have the answer?

Also, if you still consider yourself a repbulican or a democrat you might as well DIAF. Same party expect for 2 or 3 wedge issues. Both parties love big government, invading other countries, killing people and spying on the American sheep. Obama's kill list and drone program would be hailed by repubs if it were Bush's program and the dems would be screaming to the skies that bush is a murderer.....of course the dems don't say shit.
All partisan BS.

This country is screwed until congressmen start fearing for their lives. They work about 30-40 days a year and are paid a low salary of a 174k...and they bitch they can't live on that.

The paragraph starting with "Also, if.." was ok. Everything before that was pretty shitty. Maybe Econ isn't your thing. That's ok. A lot of people suck at it. (hi OBK!)

oregonblitzkrieg · June 2014

CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.

PostGameOrangeSlices · June 2014

oregonblitzkrieg said:
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.

Nah I am

oregonblitzkrieg · June 2014

$15/hr minimum wage won't mark the end of the world. It's still shit pay, but it's much better than $8 and far more fair and reasonable. Work should pay. If a full time job doesn't pay enough to keep someone off of foodstamps, that job is garbage and the company providing that job needs to be hit with penalties that will encourage them to start offering a liveable wage. They can absorb the cost by decreasing the salaries of upper management, decreasing somewhat the obscene difference in pay between the lowest and the highest paid employees that has become the American norm. Most of you have nothing but negative things to say about Seattle. You should be happy it may be the proving ground to decide the debate.

jecornel · June 2014

Damone I am leaving econ 101 up to you.

MikeDamone · June 2014

oregonblitzkrieg said:
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.

Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.

You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.

oregonblitzkrieg · June 2014

MikeDamone said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:
CreepyCuoag is the most clued in poster on the economic board.
Yet he agrees with me and basically said your position can be reduced to shit with a basic understanding of freshman Econ.

You spout off, but refuse to educate yourself in the basics. I provided links to a couple things to help you, but you choose to remain ignorant.

I'm sure even you can figure out that a full time job that doesn't provide a liveable wage and requires someone to be on foodstamps is nothing more than a tax that everyone has to pay. The employer jips the workers and the result is that we all have to pour more money into the foodstamp program through taxes, which make the government a little bit bigger.

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