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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109

    It isn't his fault. If he didn't have a gun he wouldn't have killed anyone. Guns always send these batshit crazy assholes over the top.

    He killed the first three with a knife...

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  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194
    d2d said:

    Mad_Son said:
    The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."

    You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.

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    Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
    So let me get this straight - to support your made-up quip about the highest homicide rates being in countries where it is illegal to own guns you post a UNODC image showing homicide rates and then an AMMOLAND graphic citing "Small Arms Survey 2007"...
    First you don't provide info about gun legality.
    Second you ignore the whole point and just jump from insane people going on shooting rampages to overall homicides.
    Third your gun information is from some completely random, clearly biased source.
    Fourth you ignore the fact that we're trying to talk about developed countries here (as evidenced by the actual facts provided in the satire article I posted). It is sad that you try and compare America to Uganda and Colombia really tells me you have a skewed sense of who America's peers are. Why do you hate America?
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited May 2014
    d2d said:

    Mad_Son said:
    The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."

    You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.

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    Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
    I didn't know the homicide rates in Syria, Iraq and Egypt were less than 3 people per 100,000. Or is just that your maps don't include the martyrdom rates in the legend?
  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194

    d2d said:

    Mad_Son said:
    The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."

    You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.

    image

    image

    Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
    I didn't know the homicide rates in Syria, Iraq and Egypt were less than 3 people per 100,000. Or is just that your maps don't include the martyrdom rates in the legend?
    Also, 2010

  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,269
    I think my sarcasm was lost on this one.... Oh well.
    d2d said:

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The Second Amendment, the ONLY Constitutional Right that requires a Permit to use.

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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,609 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited May 2014
    Mad_Son said:

    d2d said:

    Mad_Son said:
    The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."

    You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.

    image

    image

    Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
    So let me get this straight - to support your made-up quip about the highest homicide rates being in countries where it is illegal to own guns you post a UNODC image showing homicide rates and then an AMMOLAND graphic citing "Small Arms Survey 2007"...
    First you don't provide info about gun legality.
    Second you ignore the whole point and just jump from insane people going on shooting rampages to overall homicides.
    Third your gun information is from some completely random, clearly biased source.
    Fourth you ignore the fact that we're trying to talk about developed countries here (as evidenced by the actual facts provided in the satire article I posted). It is sad that you try and compare America to Uganda and Colombia really tells me you have a skewed sense of who America's peers are. Why do you hate America?
    So let me get this straight, statistics and facts are beaten by...





    wait for it...






    The Onion?

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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    And for those who like to parse Constitutional language, I ask which phrase appears first in the Constitution/Bill of Rights:
    "... Separation of church and state..."
    - or -
    "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..."
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited May 2014

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    And for those who like to parse Constitutional language, I ask which phrase appears first in the Constitution/Bill of Rights:
    "... Separation of church and state..."
    - or -
    "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..."
    OH OH, I KNOW THIS ONE...

    The First Amendment doesn't say anything about separation of Church and State. Here it is...

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    The Second Amendment is about tyranny, not hunting. Might I be defending myself against a "well regulated militia" (armed by the State) some day?

    It's happened before, right after the King of England ordered civilians to surrender their weapons.

    So much for Gun-Free-Zones. History is such a Muther Fucker.
  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    The Democrat Solution...

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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129
    If only those sorority girls and his roommates had a .45 attached to their hip. I never go anywhere without my 1911.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Can we start talking about knife and vehicle regulation too? Just as many died by the blade as the chamber in this incident and a bunch of people were injured getting hit by the vehicle.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,609 Standard Supporter

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453

    Can we start talking about knife and vehicle regulation too? Just as many died by the blade as the chamber in this incident and a bunch of people were injured getting hit by the vehicle.

    Can't we just start talking X's and O's ?!!
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,194

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    ... on the street, from your lathe, or from the store?

  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?
    If somebody was motivated to spend 15 seconds on internet research, it would be easy to find out

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
    Finally...
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?
    If somebody was motivated to spend 15 seconds on internet research, it would be easy to find out

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
    Yea but still.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,194

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?
    Never said it did, I guess I missed something...
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    HuskyJW said:

    I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.
    I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.
    Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.
    HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.
    Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)

    It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
    Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?
    Never said it did, I guess I missed something...
    You said "it does have to do with gun laws". I guess I assumed you were responding to the topic that was being discussed.
  • priapism
    priapism Member Posts: 2,301
    edited May 2014
    I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.

    One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,194
    priapism said:

    I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.

    One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.

    Legalizing drugs and prostitution are long term solutions for a lot of this cuntry's problems...
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    priapism said:

    I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.

    One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.

    It's not even 20 - 100k. It's less tha 10k. A large % of those are over drugs and/or are gang related.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,269
    LOL...like those bitches could handle a .45

    If only those sorority girls and his roommates had a .45 attached to their hip. I never go anywhere without my 1911.

  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    priapism said:

    I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.

    One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.

    It's not even 20 - 100k. It's less tha 10k. A large % of those are over drugs and/or are gang related.
    The biggest chunk of gun related deaths is suicide. Then the chunk left over about 70-80% are gang related.

    But when some rich completely psychotic kid shoots a few people is the only time you hear the issue come up. From 1980 to 2008 mass shootings accumulated for 1% of all total gun deaths in that time frame.