Pete’s Don James moment
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Except that James could beat better teams from day 1 and did. Right up to Oklahoma in the 84 Orange Bowl the year before he got boat raced by BamaHillsboroDuck said:Sorry but this is kind of ridiculous. DJ (ILTCHDJ) had his "moment" after he got boat raced by 22 by a 3 loss Alabama team, at the conclusion of the 5th consecutive season of not winning the conference (and yes one of those years he finished second in the country, the other 4 were mostly disappointing).
Pete just won the conference for the second time in 3 years and if he's ever lost a game by 22 at UW it hasn't happened in a long damn time.
DJ to his eternal credit (GO DAWGS!) realized he was never going to compete at the top level again without a massive overhaul. So massive in fact that UW was going to go just 21-13-1 over the next 3 years while he put the overhaul in place.
Pete's program doesn't need a complete overhaul. He needs to recruit better (which he's already been doing the past two years). He needs to shake his affinity for midget try hard noodle arm QBs - which 4 of the 5 QB's to enroll or commit to the program in the past 12 months suggest he has. He needs to evaluate his in game coaching, which he says he's going to but I'm skeptical.
Pete is adding passers and pass rushers the two biggest issues that have plagued this program the past 3 years. Last year's class combined with this one is damn near perfect.
We are not anywhere close to the point where we need to do a complete overhaul and lose 40% of our games the next three years. No DJ moment required here.
The extremely frustrating thing will be if the in game coaching keeps us from getting that final step, but most coaches are in game idiots and I just don't think it's going to hurt us as badly with the right pieces in place.
We'll see.
In 86 we blew out Ohio State while floundering in the Pac
Pete isn't beating good teams and has a hell of a lot easier schedule that we used to now that we don't play the LA schools that much and get a steady diet of Pac 12 dreck
Pete isn't working that's the point. We don't need to wait 15 years for him to figure it out
People really did want to fire James. Pete gets his cocked sucked all over campus for not being Urban Meyer or Nick Satan and winning our shitty little league and ALMOST winning our bowl games
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Shame on us for expecting a winner-a coach with the balls to make the hard choices needed to win.ApostleofGrief said:
This is the legendary DON JAMES ANALOGY. I've lobbied for this to stop! He is a statue, and not coming back in the form of somebody else! Jesus. Every coach except Neuheisel and Sark was supposed to be in the mold of DJ.WilburHooksHands said:Plenty has been said on here about James realizing he had to get with the times. It may be earlier in his Husky career, but this is Pete’s. Browning was recruited to run his old bullshit offense. That time is over and if we dont totally overhaul the offense this offseason the program is over.
A coach who will:
Replace under performing coaches
Adjust offensive schemes and defensive philosophies to maximize results with the talent on the roster
Recruiting and signing the best players at EVERY position
Abstaining from intoxicants on, and the night before, game day
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Since the whole Don James thing is basically a meme now (Hi Ecklund) let me expand
When Owens won the back to back Rose Bowls he created a monster here. UW has always been serious about football but usually mediocre at it with a once a decade run to the Rose Bowl. Owens got fans thinking nationally and the nation paying attention
Even though Owens would descend into a career of losing and race wars and the Huskies became forgotten the fans didn't forget.
When James beat UCLA and USC his first year it meant something. Same losers that couldn't beat off were playing Cal for the Rose Bowl that year.
Beating Michigan in the 78 Rose and Texas in the 79 Sun were big wins. Winning 2 more league titles and the Orange Bowl year cemented him as a big game coach
He lost a ton of little games including two Apple Cups that cost us Rose Bowls. Good thing there wasn't an internet then but fans were pissed. You could hear it in the stands
His now fabled wake up call was about 5 years too late. That's the only point I have about Petersen now - he didn't get the early big wins but he did get the little ones. What he has done in 5 years is as much as we could expect and less than we hoped once we saw what he could do.
HE CAN BE BETTER THAN DON JAMES AND THAT IS THE GOAL
Nothing WE do matters but look at how our bullshit got back to Browning. Someone has to keep the pressure on and the eternal flame of national bullies burning.
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We are too conservative when we should be aggressive (at their 38 and we had 4th and about 4... we punted) and we are way way too aggressive when we shouldn’t (end of the half)
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I'm hard as a diamond in an ice storm.RaceBannon said:Since the whole Don James thing is basically a meme now (Hi Ecklund) let me expand
When Owens won the back to back Rose Bowls he created a monster here. UW has always been serious about football but usually mediocre at it with a once a decade run to the Rose Bowl. Owens got fans thinking nationally and the nation paying attention
Even though Owens would descend into a career of losing and race wars and the Huskies became forgotten the fans didn't forget.
When James beat UCLA and USC his first year it meant something. Same losers that couldn't beat off were playing Cal for the Rose Bowl that year.
Beating Michigan in the 78 Rose and Texas in the 79 Sun were big wins. Winning 2 more league titles and the Orange Bowl year cemented him as a big game coach
He lost a ton of little games including two Apple Cups that cost us Rose Bowls. Good thing there wasn't an internet then but fans were pissed. You could hear it in the stands
His now fabled wake up call was about 5 years too late. That's the only point I have about Petersen now - he didn't get the early big wins but he did get the little ones. What he has done in 5 years is as much as we could expect and less than we hoped once we saw what he could do.
HE CAN BE BETTER THAN DON JAMES AND THAT IS THE GOAL
Nothing WE do matters but look at how our bullshit got back to Browning. Someone has to keep the pressure on and the eternal flame of national bullies burning.
If not us who? If not now when? -
Swaye said:
I'm hard as a diamond in an ice storm.RaceBannon said:Since the whole Don James thing is basically a meme now (Hi Ecklund) let me expand
When Owens won the back to back Rose Bowls he created a monster here. UW has always been serious about football but usually mediocre at it with a once a decade run to the Rose Bowl. Owens got fans thinking nationally and the nation paying attention
Even though Owens would descend into a career of losing and race wars and the Huskies became forgotten the fans didn't forget.
When James beat UCLA and USC his first year it meant something. Same losers that couldn't beat off were playing Cal for the Rose Bowl that year.
Beating Michigan in the 78 Rose and Texas in the 79 Sun were big wins. Winning 2 more league titles and the Orange Bowl year cemented him as a big game coach
He lost a ton of little games including two Apple Cups that cost us Rose Bowls. Good thing there wasn't an internet then but fans were pissed. You could hear it in the stands
His now fabled wake up call was about 5 years too late. That's the only point I have about Petersen now - he didn't get the early big wins but he did get the little ones. What he has done in 5 years is as much as we could expect and less than we hoped once we saw what he could do.
HE CAN BE BETTER THAN DON JAMES AND THAT IS THE GOAL
Nothing WE do matters but look at how our bullshit got back to Browning. Someone has to keep the pressure on and the eternal flame of national bullies burning.
If not us who? If not now when?
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RaceBannon said:
Since the whole Don James thing is basically a meme now (Hi Ecklund) let me expand
When Owens won the back to back Rose Bowls he created a monster here. UW has always been serious about football but usually mediocre at it with a once a decade run to the Rose Bowl. Owens got fans thinking nationally and the nation paying attention
Even though Owens would descend into a career of losing and race wars and the Huskies became forgotten the fans didn't forget.
When James beat UCLA and USC his first year it meant something. Same losers that couldn't beat off were playing Cal for the Rose Bowl that year.
Beating Michigan in the 78 Rose and Texas in the 79 Sun were big wins. Winning 2 more league titles and the Orange Bowl year cemented him as a big game coach
He lost a ton of little games including two Apple Cups that cost us Rose Bowls. Good thing there wasn't an internet then but fans were pissed. You could hear it in the stands
His now fabled wake up call was about 5 years too late. That's the only point I have about Petersen now - he didn't get the early big wins but he did get the little ones. What he has done in 5 years is as much as we could expect and less than we hoped once we saw what he could do.
HE CAN BE BETTER THAN DON JAMES AND THAT IS THE GOAL
Nothing WE do matters but look at how our bullshit got back to Browning. Someone has to keep the pressure on and the eternal flame of national bullies burning.
If not us who? If not now when?
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HillsboroDuck said:
There's plenty of room on the Bush Hamden bandwagon.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
It's basically just you and me.
Welcome aboard.
I've been about halfway on the wagon since September. I get frustrated with the calls, but there has always been something in the back of my mind that it's limitations that make Bush call dumb plays.
I also wonder how many RPO's were called with intent to run Gaskin but Browning held it and then threw it instead.
https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/51310/we-know-our-offense-is-shit-but#latest -
If the talent gives the playbooks limitations then you need to figure out what works, even if it means severely limiting the playbook.DoogCourics said:HillsboroDuck said:
There's plenty of room on the Bush Hamden bandwagon.LaMichael_Corleone said:You guys are going to hate me but......................... Bush Hamden is good.
Do WR’s need to develop better? absolutely. Do we need to do a better job actively scheming Hunter Bryant & other playmakers into the offense? Yes. Was this Bush’s best game and are there things to harp on him for? Yes.
But I’m sorry. He’s not the problem. When you can’t have plays over ten yards, you’re not going to be very successful. Obviously there needs to be changes but Bush is way down on the list for me and I’ve crushed him a lot this year.
It's basically just you and me.
Welcome aboard.
I've been about halfway on the wagon since September. I get frustrated with the calls, but there has always been something in the back of my mind that it's limitations that make Bush call dumb plays.
I also wonder how many RPO's were called with intent to run Gaskin but Browning held it and then threw it instead.
https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/51310/we-know-our-offense-is-shit-but#latest -
Schottenheimer is a very good analogy.topdawgnc said:
I work with a lot of UGA alum.creepycoug said:
Agreed. In retrospect he was a good enough coach to put together decent seasons, no more, and occasionally do better than that. 10-2 made all of Cane nation bite. And as you know, I'm a sucker for a good recruiter, because you have to have that anyway.RaceBannon said:
Counter argument is that if Richt needed to fire his staff he should have been fired anywaycreepycoug said:
That's better than what Richt said, which was essentially, "We've got the right plan, we just need to do it better."UWhuskytskeet said:Hopefully not just fluff, but it sounds like he gets the message.
Word is that the AD met with him and told him he had to fire his son and think about other offensive staff positions. He said, "I quit."
Say what you will about the Diaz hire, he had a vision for the defense and he made it happen. He also fired the entire offensive staff - every. last. one. - including Richt's son, w/in 24 hours of being hired.
But, that's the easy part for coaches who want to get better.
7-6 is what we had when we got Pete. There's a jump to 10 wins then a bigger jump to 12-15
Richt could manage to have a losing record in a season at Georgia.
But some guys just can't put it together, and in Richt's case, he seemed to have effectively retired to Miami when he took the job. Which explains why he punked out when it got hard. He didn't come to Miami for hard. He came to Miami to retire.
Which is why I'm leary of old guys at the HC spot. It's not a fun job. You need to be hungry. He was not. I'm skeptical about whether Davis part II would be hungry enough. He's old now too.
It was always fun to listen to them support Richt.
He was the college version of Marty Schottenheimer. Good enough to give you hope, good enough to get right to the door ... but he couldn't kick it in.
He ran the script perfectly last year.
