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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo need help with the decimals.

    Not at all. The effective rate of the top 1% is also about that 27%. It's in the article but I was showing a point

    I also looked up social security and Medicare. Top 1% makes up about 20% of income but only 4% of social security and Medicare taxes. What do you think that does to the "top 1% pays almost 40% of federal taxes" argument? Like I said, Bob, you are great at lying with "facts".
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,571 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2019



    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,571 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

    You are a genius.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    things short bus kids say when they encounter another person in public
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,944
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo unlike you there is no dick in my mouth. What I said was perfectly clear. Funny how you're now calling my "extreme ignorance" "close enough to factual."

    So to recap. Nothing I said was a lie and you're now responding with gibberish about Social Security and Medicare when what I said dealt only with income taxes.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo unlike you there is no dick in my mouth. What I said was perfectly clear. Funny how you're now calling my "extreme ignorance" "close enough to factual."

    So to recap. Nothing I said was a lie and you're now responding with gibberish about Social Security and Medicare when what I said dealt only with income taxes.
    Exactly. You are lying with "facts". You, and the conservative websites that promote the "wealthy pay too much in income tax", don't include social security and Medicare, on which they pay disproportionally less of their income.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    In Venezuela they dream about Theoretical Food
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,571 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

    You are a genius.
    Acknowledge.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,944
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo unlike you there is no dick in my mouth. What I said was perfectly clear. Funny how you're now calling my "extreme ignorance" "close enough to factual."

    So to recap. Nothing I said was a lie and you're now responding with gibberish about Social Security and Medicare when what I said dealt only with income taxes.
    Exactly. You are lying with "facts". You, and the conservative websites that promote the "wealthy pay too much in income tax", don't include social security and Medicare, on which they pay disproportionally less of their income.
    So my "lie" that you claimed was due to my "extreme ignorance" is a now a "fact" that simply made your Kunt hurt. Why would I include Social Security and Medicare when I specifically said "income taxes" dumbass?

    Why didn't Mr. Reading Comprehension just read what I actually said?
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,843 Standard Supporter

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?

    It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
    This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)

    Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost.
    If only your version of history were true you might have a point about Dixiecrats but the facts are they stayed democrat and died out. The Republicans didn't start to win in local elections in the South until 1994 and that is wholly born of democrats taking their party further left which turned off many more middle of the road democrats and had nothing to do with the color of one's skin or Civil Rights.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,944

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?

    It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
    This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)

    Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost.
    If only your version of history were true you might have a point about Dixiecrats but the facts are they stayed democrat and died out. The Republicans didn't start to win in local elections in the South until 1994 and that is wholly born of democrats taking their party further left which turned off many more middle of the road democrats and had nothing to do with the color of one's skin or Civil Rights.
    Yeah, who knew that a region of the county that is more patriotic and traditional in their views would react negatively to a party who was openly hostile to the US Military and traditional values. Has to be on account of race. It can't be on account of the fact the Rats ran candidates like McGovern and Dukakis
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,843 Standard Supporter
    Re-writing history seems to be a favored past time of democrats. Somehow it makes them look less evil I guess.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,134 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo need help with the decimals.

    Not at all. The effective rate of the top 1% is also about that 27%. It's in the article but I was showing a point

    I also looked up social security and Medicare. Top 1% makes up about 20% of income but only 4% of social security and Medicare taxes. What do you think that does to the "top 1% pays almost 40% of federal taxes" argument? Like I said, Bob, you are great at lying with "facts".
    Hondo dumb. You pay Medicare by individuals and pay.. HTH
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,944
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo need help with the decimals.

    Not at all. The effective rate of the top 1% is also about that 27%. It's in the article but I was showing a point

    I also looked up social security and Medicare. Top 1% makes up about 20% of income but only 4% of social security and Medicare taxes. What do you think that does to the "top 1% pays almost 40% of federal taxes" argument? Like I said, Bob, you are great at lying with "facts".
    You mean the argument I never made that you still continue to lie about Hondo? I never said the top 1% pay 40% of the Federal taxes you lying piece of shit.



  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,134 Standard Supporter

    Re-writing history seems to be a favored past time of democrats. Somehow it makes them look less evil I guess.

    All part of the commie platform for over 100 years. Odd there aren't any commie governments that have been around that long, But it's the best! Ask Hondo and his merry band of reds!
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