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  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?

    It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
    This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)

    Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,777 Swaye's Wigwam

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?

    It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
    This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)

    Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost.
    God help us, we are agreeing. Identity politics has also made poor whites vote as a block from what I can see. It's justified the world view of them being victims. Lots of the same language and arguments are being adapted from the left to the right over the last five or so years.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    How much of your "wealth" did you transfer? Shouldn't you be doing it on your own since the government isn't doing a good enough job?

    I'll bet it's zero dollars.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club

    More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

    Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.

    I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
    Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”

    Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
    I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?

    It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
    This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)

    Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost.
    This is an amazing load of bullshit even for you
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,301 Standard Supporter

    It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism.

  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390


    It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism.

    Trump’s “fair trade” farce is as effective as his Mexico-will-pay-for-the-Wall fiasco. The loser in each case is working class slobs like you. You got conned bubba.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter


    It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism.

    Trump’s “fair trade” farce is as effective as his Mexico-will-pay-for-the-Wall fiasco. The loser in each case is working class slobs like you. You got conned bubba.
    So zero. How did I know? Ask!
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,153 Standard Supporter
    Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.

    Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.

    Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.

    Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.

    Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices.

    Agree. So why exacerbate the problem and punish US producers, consumers and taxpayers through self-defeating tariffs? How badly do troomps want to harm themselves because of China? Why does the US, the world’s greatest creator and innovator, insist that the path forward is to make itself weaker?
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570

    Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.

    Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.

    Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices.

    Agree. So why exacerbate the problem and punish US producers, consumers and taxpayers through self-defeating tariffs? How badly do troomps want to harm themselves because of China? Why does the US, the world’s greatest creator and innovator, insist that the path forward is to make itself weaker?
    Liberal translation: Don't do to China what China has been doing to the U.S. for years. That might make somebody uncomfortable even though the result would result in a positive for many Americans. Let the Chinese continue to bang you in the ass without benefit of lube. Lube might offend them. Can't upset them. They may get angry with the U.S.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Blu82 said:

    Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.

    Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.

    Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices.

    Agree. So why exacerbate the problem and punish US producers, consumers and taxpayers through self-defeating tariffs? How badly do troomps want to harm themselves because of China? Why does the US, the world’s greatest creator and innovator, insist that the path forward is to make itself weaker?
    Liberal translation: Don't do to China what China has been doing to the U.S. for years. That might make somebody uncomfortable even though the result would result in a positive for many Americans. Let the Chinese continue to bang you in the ass without benefit of lube. Lube might offend them. Can't upset them. They may get angry with the U.S.
    The result would result in a positive for many Americans?

    Can you explain when and how that will happen? Because tariffs? Because TRUMP?

    Btw, free trade, free markets and free people are the essence of American conseratism. Your preferred China policy (tariffs, protectionism, nationalism) is straight out of the liberal playbook.

    I’m all in favor of watching your self destruction. I only thought it was my responsibility to point out that you are an imbecile.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570


    The result would result in a positive for many Americans?

    Can you explain when and how that will happen? Because tariffs? Because TRUMP?

    Btw, free trade, free markets and free people are the essence of American conseratism. Your preferred China policy (tariffs, protectionism, nationalism) is straight out of the liberal playbook.

    I’m all in favor of watching your self destruction. I only thought it was my responsibility to point out that you are an imbecile.

    Let me take a guess as to why you would take such an elementary, naive position. You work for the government and therefore haven't a clue how the world actually works? School teacher? Post Office? Scuba diver for "water management"?

    You are truly clueless.


  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    edited December 2018

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
    Nice recap of Trump policy

    Why do you hate him? You sound poorly educated
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
    Nice recap of Trump policy

    Why do you hate him? You sound poorly educated
    Tariffs are the tool of the submissive and unskilled. It doesn’t take any strength or skill to make your competitors’ goods more expensive. It only hurts the angry morons who are plaintively begging for government intervention to assist their pathetic lives (tariffs! border walls! currency protection!)

    Winners dominate markets through ingenuity and skill. Trumpanzees rely on the government to bail them out. Regardless of how self-destructive the trump path is for them.

    We’ve been over this many times.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
    Nice recap of Trump policy

    Why do you hate him? You sound poorly educated
    Tariffs are the tool of the submissive and unskilled. It doesn’t take any strength or skill to make your competitors’ goods more expensive. It only hurts the angry morons who are plaintively begging for government intervention to assist their pathetic lives (tariffs! border walls! currency protection!)

    Winners dominate markets through ingenuity and skill. Trumpanzees rely on the government to bail them out. Regardless of how self-destructive the trump path is for them.

    We’ve been over this many times.
    We is it OK to have Trumpanzees but not Obamapanzees? Asking for a friend.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Blu82 said:



    The result would result in a positive for many Americans?

    Can you explain when and how that will happen? Because tariffs? Because TRUMP?

    Btw, free trade, free markets and free people are the essence of American conseratism. Your preferred China policy (tariffs, protectionism, nationalism) is straight out of the liberal playbook.

    I’m all in favor of watching your self destruction. I only thought it was my responsibility to point out that you are an imbecile.

    Let me take a guess as to why you would take such an elementary, naive position. You work for the government and therefore haven't a clue how the world actually works? School teacher? Post Office? Scuba diver for "water management"?

    You are truly clueless.


    Close! My employer is a private employee-owned firm. I manage an office and am a shareholder. I negotiate the terms and conditions of the sale or private placement of bonds, notes and convertible debt to accredited investors and qualified institutional buyers. My clients are start-up and maturing LLCs.

    Free, open, unregulated markets are not only my livelihood; they are the pillars of a successful civilization now under attack by gullible and deplorable troomps.

    Have you contributed to the gofundme for trump’s wall yet?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
    Nice recap of Trump policy

    Why do you hate him? You sound poorly educated
    Tariffs are the tool of the submissive and unskilled. It doesn’t take any strength or skill to make your competitors’ goods more expensive. It only hurts the angry morons who are plaintively begging for government intervention to assist their pathetic lives (tariffs! border walls! currency protection!)

    Winners dominate markets through ingenuity and skill. Trumpanzees rely on the government to bail them out. Regardless of how self-destructive the trump path is for them.

    We’ve been over this many times.
    We is it OK to have Trumpanzees but not Obamapanzees? Asking for a friend.
    Sure. Tell your friend it’s ok by me. Knock yourself out.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club

    @CirrhosisDawg can't compete on a level field. He needs illegal labor and intellectual theft and selling out to the Chi Coms to scrape out a meager living

    A US leading the effort to expand free trade and open markets through its competitive dominance makes everyone richer, even the poorly educated trump loves so much.
    Nice recap of Trump policy

    Why do you hate him? You sound poorly educated
    Tariffs are the tool of the submissive and unskilled. It doesn’t take any strength or skill to make your competitors’ goods more expensive. It only hurts the angry morons who are plaintively begging for government intervention to assist their pathetic lives (tariffs! border walls! currency protection!)

    Winners dominate markets through ingenuity and skill. Trumpanzees rely on the government to bail them out. Regardless of how self-destructive the trump path is for them.

    We’ve been over this many times.
    You want slave labor, massive government intervention, and foreign masters to help you swindle people out of money by force if necessary

    You're not a winner you're a parasite and a disease.

    You contradict yourself every other post

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