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Holy shit Hondo. Corruption is an characteristic of a command economy.2001400ex said:
Simple minds.... Read up on corruption costs in Venezuela.WestlinnDuck said:
Well, when Chavez was elected president of Venezuela in 1998 oil was about $12 a barrel and Venezuela was one of the more prosperous countries’ in South America. Now with oil selling at nearly four times that, Venezuela is an economic basket case with a collapsing nationalized oil industry. The miracle of socialism. Nice attempt at making shit up and deflecting the real reason for the economic collapse. -
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with. -
After everyone in China has had who knows how many family members murdered or starved to death by the government they are pretty compliant.2001400ex said:
Most of the ownership of business in China is owned by the government and they sure are doing fine with economic growth. HTHSledog said:
Oil failed because Venezuela being socialist seized the oil industry. They didn't know how to run it. Why would the people that do stay? This happens in every socialist takeover. History much?2001400ex said:
Why did I know you'd go to Medicare. STFU and stay on task. Yes I misspoke on Medicare and it is what it is. There is still a trust fund for part A, so what I said was partially correct, but I forgot about part D which was unfunded.SFGbob said:
Fuck you and you "do your research" you fucking moron, I bury you ignorant ass here every fucking day and after I've exposed you for the dumbfuck you are you run and hide like a fucking Kunt.2001400ex said:
Other people not so much. Do some research man. Stay off Fox news and talk radio. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips.SFGbob said:
Socialism is the issue in Venezuela.2001400ex said:
So you don't want to address the question in this thread? I mean you talked about free medical and free college. Neither of which has to do with the issues in Venezuela.SFGbob said:
I did address it. A fucking moron who claims that Medicare doesn't add to our deficit has no business telling anyone else they need to educate themselves. It's like listening to marriage counseling from Scott Peterson.2001400ex said:
I see you won't address the question either. Stop being a pussy and just screaming Venezuela like your news source does.SFGbob said:
Yeah "learn" from Hondo the same fucking moron who claims Medicare doesn't add to our deficit and that we only allow 60K a year of legal immigrants into this country each year.2001400ex said:
That's not what I said. I asked what politician is advocating the same policies that took Venezuelan down. I'd stay off Fox news and talk radio and actually learn about the issues in Venezuela.WestlinnDuck said:Free college isn't free shit? Free health care isn't free shit? Free housing isn't free shit? Free food isn't free shit?
In fact, big bad China that Trump is trying to keep from passing our economy is actually full communist. Why are you so worried about them, shouldn't their communism take them down any day?
Take a look at that thread where you put your head up your ass and claimed Medicare doesn't add to our deficit.
Simply being heavily reliant on oil isn't what destroyed the Venezuela economy. Massive government borrowing and spending to pay for their Socialist utopia is what destroyed them. No Socialism, and Venezuela is just fine.
That being said, I educated myself and understand thar issue. You still don't have a clue on Venezuela. You just hear what your news source says, think it applies to America, and rail on about it without actually educating yourself.
The core issue with Venezuela was spending more than they take in and not having and further credit when oil fell and spending didn't. Then it started the cycle. Then you try to apply free college and medical and compare it to Venezuela. Here's a new flash for you, we have a deficit spending problem in America too. Another shocker, the people you voted for and suck their balls increased the deficit the last two years in a period with an economic expansion, when the deficit should be shrinking. That's what you should be railing on, not comparing us to Venezuela when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Also far poorer than Venezuelans prior to socialism. They get a very small benefit from their forced labor but cracks are beginning to show with some of that wealth.
They shoot you in the head if you don't do what they say and send the bill for the bullet to your family! Fuck you are dumb! -
If you read it to the end you’d see I said that.SFGbob said:
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with. -
Instead of having to invest in R&D, you can steal it.2001400ex said:
Ok. That number is probably high but fine I'm take it. Explain how that is the driving factor in the huge growth in China.greenblood said:
Yes about 1%. I was wrong with the $14 billion figure. I heard the $14B on CNBC, but they may have been using a specific month figure. I don’t know why so wide a variance but it’s between $225 billion and $600 billion annually. So yes 1% is about right.2001400ex said:
Wut? The entire GDP of China is $1.4 trillion?greenblood said:
Intellectual theft of US property alone amounts to about 1% of their GDP.2001400ex said:
Cool.. What's that as a percent of their GDP?greenblood said:
$14 billion annually from the US. Everybody else... who the hell knows2001400ex said:
Sounds like you know. You want to provide the answer?greenblood said:
True...but how much growth is because of intellectual theft?2001400ex said:
Most of the ownership of business in China is owned by the government and they sure are doing fine with economic growth. HTHSledog said:
Oil failed because Venezuela being socialist seized the oil industry. They didn't know how to run it. Why would the people that do stay? This happens in every socialist takeover. History much?2001400ex said:
Why did I know you'd go to Medicare. STFU and stay on task. Yes I misspoke on Medicare and it is what it is. There is still a trust fund for part A, so what I said was partially correct, but I forgot about part D which was unfunded.SFGbob said:
Fuck you and you "do your research" you fucking moron, I bury you ignorant ass here every fucking day and after I've exposed you for the dumbfuck you are you run and hide like a fucking Kunt.2001400ex said:
Other people not so much. Do some research man. Stay off Fox news and talk radio. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips.SFGbob said:
Socialism is the issue in Venezuela.2001400ex said:
So you don't want to address the question in this thread? I mean you talked about free medical and free college. Neither of which has to do with the issues in Venezuela.SFGbob said:
I did address it. A fucking moron who claims that Medicare doesn't add to our deficit has no business telling anyone else they need to educate themselves. It's like listening to marriage counseling from Scott Peterson.2001400ex said:
I see you won't address the question either. Stop being a pussy and just screaming Venezuela like your news source does.SFGbob said:
Yeah "learn" from Hondo the same fucking moron who claims Medicare doesn't add to our deficit and that we only allow 60K a year of legal immigrants into this country each year.2001400ex said:
That's not what I said. I asked what politician is advocating the same policies that took Venezuelan down. I'd stay off Fox news and talk radio and actually learn about the issues in Venezuela.WestlinnDuck said:Free college isn't free shit? Free health care isn't free shit? Free housing isn't free shit? Free food isn't free shit?
In fact, big bad China that Trump is trying to keep from passing our economy is actually full communist. Why are you so worried about them, shouldn't their communism take them down any day?
Take a look at that thread where you put your head up your ass and claimed Medicare doesn't add to our deficit.
Simply being heavily reliant on oil isn't what destroyed the Venezuela economy. Massive government borrowing and spending to pay for their Socialist utopia is what destroyed them. No Socialism, and Venezuela is just fine.
That being said, I educated myself and understand thar issue. You still don't have a clue on Venezuela. You just hear what your news source says, think it applies to America, and rail on about it without actually educating yourself.
The core issue with Venezuela was spending more than they take in and not having and further credit when oil fell and spending didn't. Then it started the cycle. Then you try to apply free college and medical and compare it to Venezuela. Here's a new flash for you, we have a deficit spending problem in America too. Another shocker, the people you voted for and suck their balls increased the deficit the last two years in a period with an economic expansion, when the deficit should be shrinking. That's what you should be railing on, not comparing us to Venezuela when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html
Again, that is the US by itself. I can’t find figures on other developed countries like Japan, UK, Germany, etc. All of which signed on to the complaint yesterday. -
Hot socialist paradise chicks for sale cheap!
https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelan-women-sell-hair-sex-and-breast-milk-to-survive-as-country-crumbles
Socialism is awesome! -
Yeah but that’s not REAL socialism like they have in Norway!Sledog said:Hot socialist paradise chicks for sale cheap!
https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelan-women-sell-hair-sex-and-breast-milk-to-survive-as-country-crumbles
Socialism is awesome!
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MikeDamone said:
Yeah but that’s not REAL socialism like they have in Norway!Sledog said:Hot socialist paradise chicks for sale cheap!
https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelan-women-sell-hair-sex-and-breast-milk-to-survive-as-country-crumbles
Socialism is awesome!
The Throbber endorses the brand of Norwegian socialism that produces smoking hot women.
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Very very interesting argument.PurpleThrobber said:MikeDamone said:
Yeah but that’s not REAL socialism like they have in Norway!Sledog said:Hot socialist paradise chicks for sale cheap!
https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelan-women-sell-hair-sex-and-breast-milk-to-survive-as-country-crumbles
Socialism is awesome!
The Throbber endorses the brand of Norwegian socialism that produces smoking hot women.
Brb need to think it over -
No. That's not my idea. You said it's my idea. But it's not my idea.RaceBannon said:Hondo is creep's idea of a kid with a well rounded education
Dumb as a fucking rock anti Semite communist apologist -
I thought you were claiming that their dependence on oil is what caused their problems?greenblood said:
If you read it to the end you’d see I said that.SFGbob said:
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with.
Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource. -
Yes it is. 95% of their income got cut by 75%. But they also couldn’t stop giving entitlements. Both combined and you have hyperinflation and a complete meltdown. A perfect stormSFGbob said:
I thought you were claiming that their dependence on oil is what caused their problems?greenblood said:
If you read it to the end you’d see I said that.SFGbob said:
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with.
Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Without the oil price drop they could have gone another 20-30 years on their continued spending. -
Damn those market conditions Fucking up all the socialist paradises!!greenblood said:
Yes it is. 95% of their income got cut by 75%. But they also couldn’t stop giving entitlements. Both combined and you have hyperinflation and a complete meltdown. A perfect stormSFGbob said:
I thought you were claiming that their dependence on oil is what caused their problems?greenblood said:
If you read it to the end you’d see I said that.SFGbob said:
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with.
Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Without the oil price drop they could have gone another 20-30 years on their continued spending. -
If you got rid of the socialism and only had a cut in the price of oil would they be the basket case they are today?greenblood said:
Yes it is. 95% of their income got cut by 75%. But they also couldn’t stop giving entitlements. Both combined and you have hyperinflation and a complete meltdown. A perfect stormSFGbob said:
I thought you were claiming that their dependence on oil is what caused their problems?greenblood said:
If you read it to the end you’d see I said that.SFGbob said:
What caused the Venezuelan government to increase it's borrowing and spending? Just because you make $15,000 a month doesn't require that you go out and spend $20,000 a month putting the extra $5K on a credit card.greenblood said:
You used to make $15,000/month and had $10,000/month in essential expenses. Now you make $5,000/month but have $12,000/month in essential expenses. That's what's going on in Venezuela. Yes they should have diversified their economy. Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar did years ago, before the price of oil collapsed. It's too late for Venezuela to diversify. Diversifying takes capital, and Venezuela doesn't have any, and because of US sanctions, their ability to get financing is damn near impossible. The only financing they can get is from Russia and China with horrible terms, and who get paid back in oil. Problem being, this oil production eats up any domestic product they receive because instead of selling it, it's being used to pay interest.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
The only way Venezuela can be fixed is with a regime change, and the forgiveness of some past debt. Their oil industry will then become foreign owned, and that would force them to diversify, because their cash cow oil industry wouldn't belong to them anymore. The one problem with this is that many countries still wouldn't be go with this, because Venezuela has had prior history of nationalizing and seizing foreign companies. It would have to be tightly controlled.
But yes, Socialism sucks. Socialism is what prevented Venezuela from cutting spending when times got tough. I think they'd still be screwed, but I think the fall would have been much much slower.
Socialism is what caused the explosion of borrowing and spending to begin with.
Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Without the oil price drop they could have gone another 20-30 years on their continued spending. -
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs. -
Venezuela used to be the breadbasket of South America and a net exporter of food and other goods. Mysteriously, after the implementation of socialismo, their industries have shrunk and they've become net importers of basically everything except for one natural resource.SFGbob said:
Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.greenblood said:
you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.SFGbob said:
So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.2001400ex said:
Someone gets it.greenblood said:Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.
Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.
The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.
Totally unrelated according to Hondo. -
Yeah it sucks to be oil rich. Many countries collapse due to oil. Quite common really
One day you got oil the next you can't buy toilet paper
Who comes up with these stupid fucking arguments? -
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now. -
Soccer will be the most popular sport
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I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?CirrhosisDawg said:
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now. -
This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?CirrhosisDawg said:
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost. -
God help us, we are agreeing. Identity politics has also made poor whites vote as a block from what I can see. It's justified the world view of them being victims. Lots of the same language and arguments are being adapted from the left to the right over the last five or so years.CirrhosisDawg said:
This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?CirrhosisDawg said:
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost. -
How much of your "wealth" did you transfer? Shouldn't you be doing it on your own since the government isn't doing a good enough job?CirrhosisDawg said:
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
I'll bet it's zero dollars. -
This is an amazing load of bullshit even for youCirrhosisDawg said:
This is progress (I agree with the point you are trying to make but I would suggest some refinement to the argument.)UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've been "hearing" from the boareds "liberals" how impeachment is coming any day now. That's still the case last I checked the Tug. What's changed?CirrhosisDawg said:
Really? Aging boomers voted for trump because they can’t compete in today’s world and demand government intervention (tariffs nativism, and economic protectionism). The voting preference of today’s old fucks is wealth transfer and activist government intervention. They have no preference at all for “conservatism”UW_Doog_Bot said:
Young people are generally more progressive and skew more conservative as they age. Probably has to do with having to pay more in taxes, accumulating more wealth, and gaining experience watching government fail as they age.allpurpleallgold said:More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.
I've been hearing about the demographic tidal wave shift to progressiveness for more than 20 yrs.
Sounds like you “hearing” from the same people telling you that impeachment is coming any day now.
It's a fair point about the changing faces of American politics, both parties have swerved towards populist "economics". It's still the same old Dixiecrats voting for nativism & protectionism they're just boomer republicans now.
Dixiecrats, civil rights era southern democrats that turned gop starting with Nixon’s southern strategy, are mostly all dead. Their legacy of unskilled-uneducated frightened caucasians with express grievances toward “elites” continue unabated however. They exist everywhere there is obsolescence and inefficiency (manufacturing, mining, textiles, etc.). US competitive advantage is skills and competency. That doesn’t sit well with a trump voter. Like all populist and nationalist movements, it will die. The only question is at what ultimate cost. -
It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism.
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Trump’s “fair trade” farce is as effective as his Mexico-will-pay-for-the-Wall fiasco. The loser in each case is working class slobs like you. You got conned bubba.WestlinnDuck said:
It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism. -
So zero. How did I know? Ask!CirrhosisDawg said:
Trump’s “fair trade” farce is as effective as his Mexico-will-pay-for-the-Wall fiasco. The loser in each case is working class slobs like you. You got conned bubba.WestlinnDuck said:
It is so typical that leftards think “words” are of more value than a factual debate. Supporting fair trade is defined as “protectionism” and “nativism”. Never mind the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars in theft of American intellectual property by China. Demanding an equivalent access to Chinese markets and the Chinese legal system to protect American patents, trademarks and intellectual property is not to be debated. It is only to be decried because Trump is the first American president to make it a priority. Therefore, it is protectionism and nativism. -
Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.
Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.
Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices. -
Agree. So why exacerbate the problem and punish US producers, consumers and taxpayers through self-defeating tariffs? How badly do troomps want to harm themselves because of China? Why does the US, the world’s greatest creator and innovator, insist that the path forward is to make itself weaker?PurpleThrobber said:Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.
Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.
Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices. -
Liberal translation: Don't do to China what China has been doing to the U.S. for years. That might make somebody uncomfortable even though the result would result in a positive for many Americans. Let the Chinese continue to bang you in the ass without benefit of lube. Lube might offend them. Can't upset them. They may get angry with the U.S.CirrhosisDawg said:
Agree. So why exacerbate the problem and punish US producers, consumers and taxpayers through self-defeating tariffs? How badly do troomps want to harm themselves because of China? Why does the US, the world’s greatest creator and innovator, insist that the path forward is to make itself weaker?PurpleThrobber said:Watch the documentary The Chinese Hustle. Those fucks don’t play by any fair trade rules or acceptable business practices.
Essentially trumped up audits for Chinese companies doing reverse mergers into US publicly traded shell/insolvent companies (there are tons of them). Pump and dump schemes, viscious shorting of stocks, lots of capital extracted from the US market. All backed by ‘audit’ opinions from Big 4 affiliates in China. Total scam.
Chinese can go fuck themselves. Morally bankrupt business practices.
