Jayden Williams, 2019 3* DB, Corona (Centennial), CA (Offered 11/15/18)
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When Hampton was offered he didn't have any senior tape out. His senior tape was way better than his junior tape. This guy is a senior.HillsboroDuck said:
To expound on this, when Lake offered Hampton this bored groaned. Loudly.HillsboroDuck said:
Generally I would agree but Jimmy Lake is an evaluation demigod. No reason to expect this to be Kyler Manu redux.NorwegianHusky said:
Oh great, we're not leveling up in recruiting any more! We're back to outsmarting everyone with Mountain West bullshit! This is great! Everything's great! This has totally worked out for us in the past!StrongArmCobra said:It's a big dick offer. UW is saying to everybody else "we're better than you and we know it. We're better at evaluating talent than you. We're better at developing talent than you. We'll offer this kid with zero offers and turn him into an all-conference performer." Jimmy gets the benefit of the doubt from me all day long. I love bringing in a kid or two with a serious chip on their shoulder. This kid has everything to prove and will play with that attitude and swag we like. I also love my point being proved that OKG's can be anybody from any background as long as they're good enough players and good dudes. Last two offers to kids from Narbonne in L.A. and Centennial in Compton.
Then he blew up.
When Lake offered Fabiculananananana his offer list was highly unimpressive.
Then he blew up.
Sidney Jones. Jordan Miller. Taylor Rapp. All were lightly recruited and/or lowly rated by the recruited services when Lake offered, only to go on to be very, very good DB's here.
Williams is obviously more obscure than any of those 5, but a) there are plenty of more highly rated kids we obviously could get or have a real shot at if we wanted (LPJ, Chase, Wright) so I think it's safe to assume if Lake wants this kid he sees something special in him b) Coker compared him to Byron Murphy which is ridiculous on its face given his Sparq scores but my guess is his athleticism has taken a real step forward since then and/or he was nursing an injury at that point. I just have to assume he's more athletic than those numbers or else this offer doesn't make any sense.
We've never seen Lake just extend an offer to a scrub to fill numbers. I don't see why he'd do that this time around.
I don't "trust the coaches". I do trust this coach though.
People were more wait-and-see with Fabiculanan because of Hampton, so also not the same thing.
All the TBS veterans loved Rapp. I did too.
Not saying this kid doesn't have a chance to be good, but it's lesser than the chance for an elite recruit.
We can't consistently rely on outsmarting everyone. That's insane hubris. -
is he a rare human?
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Hey guys, jimmy lake gets paid millions to do this. I trust him, but less than Joye Thomas or Charles Clay Helton. Lake
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I didn't say it was the same thing, I even pointed out how they were different. My point is not Williams = Hampton, my point is Jimmy Lake is really good at this shit.NorwegianHusky said:
When Hampton was offered he didn't have any senior tape out. His senior tape was way better than his junior tape. This guy is a senior.HillsboroDuck said:
To expound on this, when Lake offered Hampton this bored groaned. Loudly.HillsboroDuck said:
Generally I would agree but Jimmy Lake is an evaluation demigod. No reason to expect this to be Kyler Manu redux.NorwegianHusky said:
Oh great, we're not leveling up in recruiting any more! We're back to outsmarting everyone with Mountain West bullshit! This is great! Everything's great! This has totally worked out for us in the past!StrongArmCobra said:It's a big dick offer. UW is saying to everybody else "we're better than you and we know it. We're better at evaluating talent than you. We're better at developing talent than you. We'll offer this kid with zero offers and turn him into an all-conference performer." Jimmy gets the benefit of the doubt from me all day long. I love bringing in a kid or two with a serious chip on their shoulder. This kid has everything to prove and will play with that attitude and swag we like. I also love my point being proved that OKG's can be anybody from any background as long as they're good enough players and good dudes. Last two offers to kids from Narbonne in L.A. and Centennial in Compton.
Then he blew up.
When Lake offered Fabiculananananana his offer list was highly unimpressive.
Then he blew up.
Sidney Jones. Jordan Miller. Taylor Rapp. All were lightly recruited and/or lowly rated by the recruited services when Lake offered, only to go on to be very, very good DB's here.
Williams is obviously more obscure than any of those 5, but a) there are plenty of more highly rated kids we obviously could get or have a real shot at if we wanted (LPJ, Chase, Wright) so I think it's safe to assume if Lake wants this kid he sees something special in him b) Coker compared him to Byron Murphy which is ridiculous on its face given his Sparq scores but my guess is his athleticism has taken a real step forward since then and/or he was nursing an injury at that point. I just have to assume he's more athletic than those numbers or else this offer doesn't make any sense.
We've never seen Lake just extend an offer to a scrub to fill numbers. I don't see why he'd do that this time around.
I don't "trust the coaches". I do trust this coach though.
People were more wait-and-see with Fabiculanan because of Hampton, so also not the same thing.
All the TBS veterans loved Rapp. I did too.
Not saying this kid doesn't have a chance to be good, but it's lesser than the chance for an elite recruit.
We can't consistently rely on outsmarting everyone. That's insane hubris.
Again, there are plenty of less head scratching kids we could offer. I don't think this is desperation, I think Lake really likes this kid.
Considering the rest of our DB class is highly rated and highly sought after I'm not worried about "consistently relying on outsmarting everyone". That's not what's happening here. -
This just tells me that Jimmy Lake is damaged goods and we might be better off without him.
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Yeah, well my point is that I don't fucking care if Jimmy Lake is good at this shit. That's a cop-out. We can still evaluate every single player on a case-by-case basis rather than saying "I trust the coaches".HillsboroDuck said:
I didn't say it was the same thing, I even pointed out how they were different. My point is not Williams = Hampton, my point is Jimmy Lake is really good at this shit.NorwegianHusky said:
When Hampton was offered he didn't have any senior tape out. His senior tape was way better than his junior tape. This guy is a senior.HillsboroDuck said:
To expound on this, when Lake offered Hampton this bored groaned. Loudly.HillsboroDuck said:
Generally I would agree but Jimmy Lake is an evaluation demigod. No reason to expect this to be Kyler Manu redux.NorwegianHusky said:
Oh great, we're not leveling up in recruiting any more! We're back to outsmarting everyone with Mountain West bullshit! This is great! Everything's great! This has totally worked out for us in the past!StrongArmCobra said:It's a big dick offer. UW is saying to everybody else "we're better than you and we know it. We're better at evaluating talent than you. We're better at developing talent than you. We'll offer this kid with zero offers and turn him into an all-conference performer." Jimmy gets the benefit of the doubt from me all day long. I love bringing in a kid or two with a serious chip on their shoulder. This kid has everything to prove and will play with that attitude and swag we like. I also love my point being proved that OKG's can be anybody from any background as long as they're good enough players and good dudes. Last two offers to kids from Narbonne in L.A. and Centennial in Compton.
Then he blew up.
When Lake offered Fabiculananananana his offer list was highly unimpressive.
Then he blew up.
Sidney Jones. Jordan Miller. Taylor Rapp. All were lightly recruited and/or lowly rated by the recruited services when Lake offered, only to go on to be very, very good DB's here.
Williams is obviously more obscure than any of those 5, but a) there are plenty of more highly rated kids we obviously could get or have a real shot at if we wanted (LPJ, Chase, Wright) so I think it's safe to assume if Lake wants this kid he sees something special in him b) Coker compared him to Byron Murphy which is ridiculous on its face given his Sparq scores but my guess is his athleticism has taken a real step forward since then and/or he was nursing an injury at that point. I just have to assume he's more athletic than those numbers or else this offer doesn't make any sense.
We've never seen Lake just extend an offer to a scrub to fill numbers. I don't see why he'd do that this time around.
I don't "trust the coaches". I do trust this coach though.
People were more wait-and-see with Fabiculanan because of Hampton, so also not the same thing.
All the TBS veterans loved Rapp. I did too.
Not saying this kid doesn't have a chance to be good, but it's lesser than the chance for an elite recruit.
We can't consistently rely on outsmarting everyone. That's insane hubris.
Again, there are plenty of less head scratching kids we could offer. I don't think this is desperation, I think Lake really likes this kid.
Considering the rest of our DB class is highly rated and highly sought after I'm not worried about "consistently relying on outsmarting everyone". That's not what's happening here.
Of course Lake is a good coach. That doesn't mean every DB we offer is automatically great. This kid isn't that great. He's fine, but we should have or sights set higher in stead of hoping that this kid is a diamond in the rough when there's a bigger chance he isn't. -
1. I don't trust my own evaluations. Unlike you I haven't fooled myself into thinking I'm an actual talent scout.NorwegianHusky said:
Yeah, well my point is that I don't fucking care if Jimmy Lake is good at this shit. That's a cop-out. We can still evaluate every single player on a case-by-case basis rather than saying "I trust the coaches".HillsboroDuck said:
I didn't say it was the same thing, I even pointed out how they were different. My point is not Williams = Hampton, my point is Jimmy Lake is really good at this shit.NorwegianHusky said:
When Hampton was offered he didn't have any senior tape out. His senior tape was way better than his junior tape. This guy is a senior.HillsboroDuck said:
To expound on this, when Lake offered Hampton this bored groaned. Loudly.HillsboroDuck said:
Generally I would agree but Jimmy Lake is an evaluation demigod. No reason to expect this to be Kyler Manu redux.NorwegianHusky said:
Oh great, we're not leveling up in recruiting any more! We're back to outsmarting everyone with Mountain West bullshit! This is great! Everything's great! This has totally worked out for us in the past!StrongArmCobra said:It's a big dick offer. UW is saying to everybody else "we're better than you and we know it. We're better at evaluating talent than you. We're better at developing talent than you. We'll offer this kid with zero offers and turn him into an all-conference performer." Jimmy gets the benefit of the doubt from me all day long. I love bringing in a kid or two with a serious chip on their shoulder. This kid has everything to prove and will play with that attitude and swag we like. I also love my point being proved that OKG's can be anybody from any background as long as they're good enough players and good dudes. Last two offers to kids from Narbonne in L.A. and Centennial in Compton.
Then he blew up.
When Lake offered Fabiculananananana his offer list was highly unimpressive.
Then he blew up.
Sidney Jones. Jordan Miller. Taylor Rapp. All were lightly recruited and/or lowly rated by the recruited services when Lake offered, only to go on to be very, very good DB's here.
Williams is obviously more obscure than any of those 5, but a) there are plenty of more highly rated kids we obviously could get or have a real shot at if we wanted (LPJ, Chase, Wright) so I think it's safe to assume if Lake wants this kid he sees something special in him b) Coker compared him to Byron Murphy which is ridiculous on its face given his Sparq scores but my guess is his athleticism has taken a real step forward since then and/or he was nursing an injury at that point. I just have to assume he's more athletic than those numbers or else this offer doesn't make any sense.
We've never seen Lake just extend an offer to a scrub to fill numbers. I don't see why he'd do that this time around.
I don't "trust the coaches". I do trust this coach though.
People were more wait-and-see with Fabiculanan because of Hampton, so also not the same thing.
All the TBS veterans loved Rapp. I did too.
Not saying this kid doesn't have a chance to be good, but it's lesser than the chance for an elite recruit.
We can't consistently rely on outsmarting everyone. That's insane hubris.
Again, there are plenty of less head scratching kids we could offer. I don't think this is desperation, I think Lake really likes this kid.
Considering the rest of our DB class is highly rated and highly sought after I'm not worried about "consistently relying on outsmarting everyone". That's not what's happening here.
Of course Lake is a good coach. That doesn't mean every DB we offer is automatically great. This kid isn't that great. He's fine, but we should have or sights set higher in stead of hoping that this kid is a diamond in the rough when there's a bigger chance he isn't.
2. I don't trust the coaches. I trust this coach. There's a difference.
3. I damn sure this coaches evaluation over yours any day of the week.
4. At least one of our resident TBSers who actually knows shit bitch thinks he looks like Byron Murphy.
You can be disappointed about this all you want to, but play the "wisdom of crowds" card here not the "I don't like what I see." You don't know what you see. Neither do I.
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creepycoug said:
Sure.StrongArmCobra said:It's a big dick offer. UW is saying to everybody else "we're better than you and we know it. We're better at evaluating talent than you. We're better at developing talent than you. We'll offer this kid with zero offers and turn him into an all-conference performer." Jimmy gets the benefit of the doubt from me all day long. I love bringing in a kid or two with a serious chip on their shoulder. This kid has everything to prove and will play with that attitude and swag we like. I also love my point being proved that OKG's can be anybody from any background as long as they're good enough players and good dudes. Last two offers to kids from Narbonne in L.A. and Centennial in Compton.
@StrongArmCobra
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Hampton and Fabiculanan were offered early so Lake wanted both of them badly. This kid is being offered late in the process because we missed on other targets. He's a kid from Southern Cal who doesn't even have an offer from Fresno State or San Diego. He sucks
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His school is playing Mater Dei tonight so he'll be going up against Bru Mccoy. Biggins will be there TBSing so we should get some more insight on him this weekend. In Lake I Trust.
