WE NEED TO REALIZE THIS IS AN UPHILL BATTLE!
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First name basis now?Dennis_DeYoung said:I love following Husky football and I'm super excited about everything Petersen. in fact, I feel Chris will without question win us a few major bowl games in the near future. He just too good at what he does to be on the outside looking in, he just may be in the top 3 of all college football coaches. That being said, I see SEC teams consistently winning national titles and major bowl games so I looked a little closer at recruiting today. The PAC 12 currently has zero 5 star recruits committed and the SEC already has 10. There is a difference and we know how impactful those 5 star kids can be for a team; IE Shaq Thompson. I guess I'm thinking we need to realize Petersen at UW has an uphill battle competing against the behemoths of college football. Over the next few more years there is the likelihood that continued dominance of PAC-12 football will entice more and more West Coast talent to rush to our beloved Montlake. Let's hope so, even Petersen needs somewhat of a level playing field.
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It’s hard POTD
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If Chris would just put TSIO Consulting, LLP on a retainer, we'd win a NT by year 8.
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Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
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This is a quote from dawgman. HTHThebourbinator said:Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
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I haven’t been on dawgmans forums since the days of recruiting the least talented of the Montana’sDennis_DeYoung said:
This is a quote from dawgman. HTHThebourbinator said:Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
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I just expect people to be able to recognize the hallmarks of a Doog-y poast:Thebourbinator said:
I haven’t been on dawgmans forums since the days of recruiting the least talented of the Montana’sDennis_DeYoung said:
This is a quote from dawgman. HTHThebourbinator said:Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
1. Lowering expectations
2. Acting like what is going on right now was inevitable
3. Acting like what is going on right now is the best we can expect for now
4. Saying in the future things could get better but no one is to blame if they don't -
Yes. It did. It did, indeed, help.Dennis_DeYoung said:
This is a quote from dawgman. HTHThebourbinator said:Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...
For once, that acronym was accurate.
Thank you. Thank you Dennis. -
2009 Clemson 9–5 6–2 1st (Atlantic) W Music City #24 ranking
2010 Clemson 6–7 4–4 T–4th (Atlantic) L Meineke Car Care Not Ranked
2011 Clemson 10–4 6–2 1st (Atlantic) L Orange† #22 ranking
2012 Clemson 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Atlantic) W Chick-fil-A #11 ranking
2014 Washington 8–6 4–5 3rd (North) L Cactus Not Ranked
2015 Washington 7–6 4–5 4th (North) W Heart of Dallas Not Ranked
2016 Washington 12–2 8–1 1st (North) L Peach #4 ranking
2017 Washington 10–3 7–2 T–1st (North) L Fiesta #15 ranking
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I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out -
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out -
All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.YellowSnow said:
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out
But our branding is awful, so it's hard. -
If we're actually analyzing this doogism the biggest thing about this is the western kids outperform their rankings year in year out (from an NFL perspective which is the best objective measure we have). If we? can get a strong enough cross section of them we can win big.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out -
I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.Dennis_DeYoung said:
All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.YellowSnow said:
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out
But our branding is awful, so it's hard.
I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done. -
Yeah, I like the comparison... LSU, UGA, Clemson and Auburn are Tier IIs that are all masquerading as Tier Is. Florida is kind of in that as well (though with their success in the 90s they are pretty close to actually being a Tier I, even though they aren't).YellowSnow said:
I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.Dennis_DeYoung said:
All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.YellowSnow said:
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out
But our branding is awful, so it's hard.
I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.
The reason why I point to branding is because it matters a ton when it comes to getting HS recruits. It's not cool to say you're going to UW in the same way it is to say you're going to Clemson or LSU. Largely our branding is 'uh, what about this? This is cool, right??'
I'm no expert (well, maybe I am), but that's not a great branding stance.
There are people in the marketing dept that say 'the brand is whatever CP says it is'.
If we had a solid brand like Clemson did in 2013 then I would be more optimistic.
Our brand space right now could best be described as 'mushy middle' - we aren't traditional, we aren't innovative. We aren't tough and we aren't exciting.
The teams with skrong brands in the Pac are
1. Stanford: Intellectual brutality - traditional and top notch education, if you come here you already know no one is going to watch your games but you don't care because you will get drafted in the first round and also get to say you went to Stanford.
2. USC: Traditional, winners, big time. The Bama of the Pac. Branding could be a little better (more elaborated), but when you are the best you don't have to work too hard.
3. Oregon: INNOVATION IS OUR TRADITION or whatever. Shiny shit. But they do it well.
4. Utah: TUFF overachievers with good defense and a difficult home field to win at.
Our branding is weak and nonsensical. It's not coordinated nor driven by core principles.
If ever someone needed to read 'Kellogg on Branding' it's our fucking marketing dept. -
How would you have summarized our brand from circa 1990- 92 and what can we do to mirror that? Or is that branding irrelevant because that is a bygone era in which recruiting was a different animal- e.g., easier to build a fence around Washington in those days.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Yeah, I like the comparison... LSU, UGA, Clemson and Auburn are Tier IIs that are all masquerading as Tier Is. Florida is kind of in that as well (though with their success in the 90s they are pretty close to actually being a Tier I, even though they aren't).YellowSnow said:
I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.Dennis_DeYoung said:
All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.YellowSnow said:
There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.RaceBannon said:I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football
But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here
Get it done or get the fuck out
But our branding is awful, so it's hard.
I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.
The reason why I point to branding is because it matters a ton when it comes to getting HS recruits. It's not cool to say you're going to UW in the same way it is to say you're going to Clemson or LSU. Largely our branding is 'uh, what about this? This is cool, right??'
I'm no expert (well, maybe I am), but that's not a great branding stance.
There are people in the marketing dept that say 'the brand is whatever CP says it is'.
If we had a solid brand like Clemson did in 2013 then I would be more optimistic.
Our brand space right now could best be described as 'mushy middle' - we aren't traditional, we aren't innovative. We aren't tough and we aren't exciting.
The teams with skrong brands in the Pac are
1. Stanford: Intellectual brutality - traditional and top notch education, if you come here you already know no one is going to watch your games but you don't care because you will get drafted in the first round and also get to say you went to Stanford.
2. USC: Traditional, winners, big time. The Bama of the Pac. Branding could be a little better (more elaborated), but when you are the best you don't have to work too hard.
3. Oregon: INNOVATION IS OUR TRADITION or whatever. Shiny shit. But they do it well.
4. Utah: TUFF overachievers with good defense and a difficult home field to win at.
Our branding is weak and nonsensical. It's not coordinated nor driven by core principles.
If ever someone needed to read 'Kellogg on Branding' it's our fucking marketing dept. -
We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.
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So now we are the only MWC team in the PAC? Fucking fuck.Dennis_DeYoung said:We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.
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Utah, Oregon State and WSU already beat us to that. But it is currently our positioning.YellowSnow said:
So now we are the only MWC team in the PAC? Fucking fuck.Dennis_DeYoung said:We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.
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Well, we used kind of the SEC of the Pac in the 90's when we led attendance in the Pac by 20,000 per game. But still, we are a top flight research university so that's not us. Nope, we're the Michigan of the Pac to USC being tOSU (except we should be .500% at USC at worst). We need to brand as the clear #2 program west of Texas and that's just how it is. Great academis, but we give great deal about winning football games. 70,000 people don't show up to watch heart surgery at the med school as Lude used to say.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Utah, Oregon State and WSU already beat us to that. But it is currently our positioning.YellowSnow said:
So now we are the only MWC team in the PAC? Fucking fuck.Dennis_DeYoung said:We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.
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wisconsin is the brand pete is shooting for
pigmentally challenged hard working boring grinders that beat their bad conference opponents but nobody nationally will ever care about them because their program is bland and not competitive against the big boys
everyone is very polite and encouraging and accidentally condescending to these programs but theres just no excitement. the "omg youre such a nice guy who will make another girl so happy some day but no not me and uhhh no not any one i know either lol" programs of college football. and this is exactly where pete wants to be. sickening.
i dont think clemson works because it was always "cool" even when they sucked. look at cj spiller picking them out of florida in 2006 despite them sucking for over a decade.
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The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else? -
And this is where we landed 20 years later:Dennis_DeYoung said:We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.
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The way I see it, it's a bit of a Seinfeld thing with CP and the branding of football. He hates labels and being labeled. It's a football team about nothing!
He hates when people bring up his history of trickery and deception -- primarily at BSU.
He claims that stats are for losers and won't embrace them.
He claims he doesn't know what a star is when it comes to recruiting.
He claims his program is not about football, it's about life.
He is neither run first nor pass first.
Good or bad, that is our branding with CP. Nothing in particular other than the OKG thing.
If we're talking about football marketing, that is all going to change when Adidas comes aboard. Let's hope we return to tradition. With continued winning at Montlake, and the Seahwaks on the decline, the hope is the Dwags will return to Seattle prominence and the stadium will be full and rocking every Saturday like days of yore. This then will become our brand over tim:
Year in-year out-winners;
Competing for titles;
Traditional purple and gold;
Best home field in the Pac -- sold out and rowdy.
SEC style school out west if you will. I'd take those 4 bullet points as our? brand.
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Pete is deliberately choosing not to sell what he should obviously be selling.BleachedAnusDawg said:The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
i think he's arrogant enough to actually believe he can steal a national title because one time at boise he beat a pretty good team by 1 point on miracle trick plays in overtime in a game the other team didnt give a shit about.
he also seems to be a genuinely good person so unlike scumbag football fans he prioritizes gay shit over giving himself the best odds of winning. -
Yes.SarkFanSixtyNine said:
Pete is deliberately choosing not to sell what he should obviously be selling.BleachedAnusDawg said:The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
i think he's arrogant enough to actually believe he can steal a national title because one time at boise he beat a pretty good team by 1 point on miracle trick plays in overtime in a game the other team didnt give a shit about.
he also seems to be a genuinely good person so unlike scumbag football fans he prioritizes gay shit over giving himself the best odds of winning.
Culturally SEA is very similar to the Midwest and very distant from the SE. Also, very distant from California.
These are good maps representing this...
I've always thought of UW as pretty similar to midwestern programs like Michigan, Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc...
We have a huge, high quality public university and we are in a town that—unlike the rest of the WC—actually really cares about football (tuff liberals like in the midwest).
People get so hung up on what's going on 'RIGHT NOW' - but overall, our brand should be in a similar space to Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin. We are sort of a combo of those things. -
Pete's inner dialog:
Head coach Peterman, left, talks with head coach Saban, right, before 2016 playoff game -
In a much better city in a much more desirable state.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Yes.SarkFanSixtyNine said:
Pete is deliberately choosing not to sell what he should obviously be selling.BleachedAnusDawg said:The Wisconsin comparison is most relevant right now as far as team culture that Petersen seems to expound, but I think we get a lot more elite athletes than they do.
We? should be pushing the "big city" narrative in recruiting. Coaches should post more likes about random gang violence, less about the fucking mountains and kayaking. Make the fast strategy kids from SoCal feel at home. How many major programs are located in the middle of a burgeoning urban environment? USC/UCLA, tOSU, Texas, Minnesota, and who else?
i think he's arrogant enough to actually believe he can steal a national title because one time at boise he beat a pretty good team by 1 point on miracle trick plays in overtime in a game the other team didnt give a shit about.
he also seems to be a genuinely good person so unlike scumbag football fans he prioritizes gay shit over giving himself the best odds of winning.
Culturally SEA is very similar to the Midwest and very distant from the SE. Also, very distant from California.
These are good maps representing this...
I've always thought of UW as pretty similar to midwestern programs like Michigan, Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc...
We have a huge, high quality public university and we are in a town that—unlike the rest of the WC—actually really cares about football (tuff liberals like in the midwest).
People get so hung up on what's going on 'RIGHT NOW' - but overall, our brand should be in a similar space to Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin. We are sort of a combo of those things.
