WE NEED TO REALIZE THIS IS AN UPHILL BATTLE!

Dennis_DeYoung

I love following Husky football and I'm super excited about everything Petersen. in fact, I feel Chris will without question win us a few major bowl games in the near future. He just too good at what he does to be on the outside looking in, he just may be in the top 3 of all college football coaches. That being said, I see SEC teams consistently winning national titles and major bowl games so I looked a little closer at recruiting today. The PAC 12 currently has zero 5 star recruits committed and the SEC already has 10. There is a difference and we know how impactful those 5 star kids can be for a team; IE Shaq Thompson. I guess I'm thinking we need to realize Petersen at UW has an uphill battle competing against the behemoths of college football. Over the next few more years there is the likelihood that continued dominance of PAC-12 football will entice more and more West Coast talent to rush to our beloved Montlake. Let's hope so, even Petersen needs somewhat of a level playing field.

YellowSnow

YellowSnow

creepycoug

Dennis_DeYoung said:

I love following Husky football and I'm super excited about everything Petersen. in fact, I feel Chris will without question win us a few major bowl games in the near future. He just too good at what he does to be on the outside looking in, he just may be in the top 3 of all college football coaches. That being said, I see SEC teams consistently winning national titles and major bowl games so I looked a little closer at recruiting today. The PAC 12 currently has zero 5 star recruits committed and the SEC already has 10. There is a difference and we know how impactful those 5 star kids can be for a team; IE Shaq Thompson. I guess I'm thinking we need to realize Petersen at UW has an uphill battle competing against the behemoths of college football. Over the next few more years there is the likelihood that continued dominance of PAC-12 football will entice more and more West Coast talent to rush to our beloved Montlake. Let's hope so, even Petersen needs somewhat of a level playing field.

First name basis now?

EsophagealFeces

It’s hard POTD

YellowSnow

If Chris would just put TSIO Consulting, LLP on a retainer, we'd win a NT by year 8.

Thebourbinator

Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...

Dennis_DeYoung

Thebourbinator said:

Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...

This is a quote from dawgman. HTH

Thebourbinator

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Thebourbinator said:

Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...

This is a quote from dawgman. HTH

I haven’t been on dawgmans forums since the days of recruiting the least talented of the Montana’s

Dennis_DeYoung

Thebourbinator said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Thebourbinator said:

Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...

This is a quote from dawgman. HTH

I haven’t been on dawgmans forums since the days of recruiting the least talented of the Montana’s

I just expect people to be able to recognize the hallmarks of a Doog-y poast:

1. Lowering expectations
2. Acting like what is going on right now was inevitable
3. Acting like what is going on right now is the best we can expect for now
4. Saying in the future things could get better but no one is to blame if they don't

creepycoug

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Thebourbinator said:

Call me a fucker of butts because between your BUCK post and this I just can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting...

This is a quote from dawgman. HTH

Yes. It did. It did, indeed, help.

For once, that acronym was accurate.

Thank you. Thank you Dennis.

YellowSnow

2009 Clemson 9–5 6–2 1st (Atlantic) W Music City #24 ranking
2010 Clemson 6–7 4–4 T–4th (Atlantic) L Meineke Car Care Not Ranked
2011 Clemson 10–4 6–2 1st (Atlantic) L Orange† #22 ranking
2012 Clemson 11–2 7–1 T–1st (Atlantic) W Chick-fil-A #11 ranking

2014 Washington 8–6 4–5 3rd (North) L Cactus Not Ranked
2015 Washington 7–6 4–5 4th (North) W Heart of Dallas Not Ranked
2016 Washington 12–2 8–1 1st (North) L Peach #4 ranking
2017 Washington 10–3 7–2 T–1st (North) L Fiesta #15 ranking

RaceBannon

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.

Dennis_DeYoung

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.

All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.

But our branding is awful, so it's hard.

dnc

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

If we're actually analyzing this doogism the biggest thing about this is the western kids outperform their rankings year in year out (from an NFL perspective which is the best objective measure we have). If we? can get a strong enough cross section of them we can win big.

YellowSnow

Dennis_DeYoung said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.

All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.

But our branding is awful, so it's hard.

I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.

I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.

Dennis_DeYoung

YellowSnow said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.

All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.

But our branding is awful, so it's hard.

I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.

I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.

Yeah, I like the comparison... LSU, UGA, Clemson and Auburn are Tier IIs that are all masquerading as Tier Is. Florida is kind of in that as well (though with their success in the 90s they are pretty close to actually being a Tier I, even though they aren't).

The reason why I point to branding is because it matters a ton when it comes to getting HS recruits. It's not cool to say you're going to UW in the same way it is to say you're going to Clemson or LSU. Largely our branding is 'uh, what about this? This is cool, right??'

I'm no expert (well, maybe I am), but that's not a great branding stance.

There are people in the marketing dept that say 'the brand is whatever CP says it is'.

If we had a solid brand like Clemson did in 2013 then I would be more optimistic.

Our brand space right now could best be described as 'mushy middle' - we aren't traditional, we aren't innovative. We aren't tough and we aren't exciting.

The teams with skrong brands in the Pac are

1. Stanford: Intellectual brutality - traditional and top notch education, if you come here you already know no one is going to watch your games but you don't care because you will get drafted in the first round and also get to say you went to Stanford.
2. USC: Traditional, winners, big time. The Bama of the Pac. Branding could be a little better (more elaborated), but when you are the best you don't have to work too hard.
3. Oregon: INNOVATION IS OUR TRADITION or whatever. Shiny shit. But they do it well.
4. Utah: TUFF overachievers with good defense and a difficult home field to win at.

Our branding is weak and nonsensical. It's not coordinated nor driven by core principles.

If ever someone needed to read 'Kellogg on Branding' it's our fucking marketing dept.

YellowSnow

Dennis_DeYoung said:

YellowSnow said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

I loathe excuses but there is a point about how fucked up the league is in regards to football

But a winner sees the opportunity to dominate the West and making 5 stars beg to come here

Get it done or get the fuck out

There's no short term fix to the issue that they just care more about football in the South and part of the Midwest. BUT we also have a rather advantageous situation to win 11 or 12 games a year - as long as Blake Shelton stays at USC and Chip is distracted by West Hollywood - and make to the CFP. 2010 and 2014 Oregon have a much harder path to get to the finals in the SEC.

All this means is it should be easier for us to dominate WC recruiting.

But our branding is awful, so it's hard.

I think the overall product is fucking awesome and more kids are starting to get it. It's not as though we've been relevant for the past 10 years. But yes, the branding could use some tweaks. And that's where you guys come in - TSIO is the canary in the coal mine nit picking every possible weakness standing in our way of reaching the promised land.

I have a bit of comparing Pete to Dabo fetish (Clemson is easily the best example out there of what Tier II winning a NT looks like in CFP era) and even with all the shit you guys bag on Chris for, I'd argue his early results and momentum are more impressive than Dabo's. What none of us can predict is if we plateau or keep on leveling up like Clemson has done.

Yeah, I like the comparison... LSU, UGA, Clemson and Auburn are Tier IIs that are all masquerading as Tier Is. Florida is kind of in that as well (though with their success in the 90s they are pretty close to actually being a Tier I, even though they aren't).

The reason why I point to branding is because it matters a ton when it comes to getting HS recruits. It's not cool to say you're going to UW in the same way it is to say you're going to Clemson or LSU. Largely our branding is 'uh, what about this? This is cool, right??'

I'm no expert (well, maybe I am), but that's not a great branding stance.

There are people in the marketing dept that say 'the brand is whatever CP says it is'.

If we had a solid brand like Clemson did in 2013 then I would be more optimistic.

Our brand space right now could best be described as 'mushy middle' - we aren't traditional, we aren't innovative. We aren't tough and we aren't exciting.

The teams with skrong brands in the Pac are

1. Stanford: Intellectual brutality - traditional and top notch education, if you come here you already know no one is going to watch your games but you don't care because you will get drafted in the first round and also get to say you went to Stanford.
2. USC: Traditional, winners, big time. The Bama of the Pac. Branding could be a little better (more elaborated), but when you are the best you don't have to work too hard.
3. Oregon: INNOVATION IS OUR TRADITION or whatever. Shiny shit. But they do it well.
4. Utah: TUFF overachievers with good defense and a difficult home field to win at.

Our branding is weak and nonsensical. It's not coordinated nor driven by core principles.

If ever someone needed to read 'Kellogg on Branding' it's our fucking marketing dept.

How would you have summarized our brand from circa 1990- 92 and what can we do to mirror that? Or is that branding irrelevant because that is a bygone era in which recruiting was a different animal- e.g., easier to build a fence around Washington in those days.

Dennis_DeYoung

We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.

YellowSnow

Dennis_DeYoung said:

We were the only Big 10 team in the PAC. That was our branding.

So now we are the only MWC team in the PAC? Fucking fuck.