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  • Saracen
    Saracen Member Posts: 270
    So much winning...

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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Saracen said:

    So much winning...

    So I read the headline and a couple sentences. But wouldn’t a Swedish!!! Company who imports products made of Alum and Steel be more motivated to make more product here to avoid the tariffs?
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:


    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    insinceredawg said:

    doogie said:

    Had nothing to do with FED dumping assets.

    Nothing at all.

    Please explain why the tariffs will help this country? This will spark a trade war and the losers will be consumers.
    I actually don't mind tariffs. This is essentially a consumption tax. The more imported crap you use, the more you pay.

    I kind of wish we just had a national sales tax vs income tax anyway. At least everyone pays for this tax.
    I could see how this could be your take - if you're a retarded weakling that needs tariffs to protect your shitty business model.

    Go kill yourself, you tax loving donkey.
    If you buy foreign cars you pay a premium. Big fucking deal.

    Who even thinks this thing will pass? It’s postering. A nutless monkey can see that.
    Yeah. Hyundai's and Kia's cost a fucking fortune.

    You're a nutless monkey.
    Premium doesn’t mean expensive. When you have to pay $18k instead of $15k for a new Kia, that’s called paying a premium. I hope you now understand the difference you nutless monkey
    I understand the difference between you and someone who isn't a faggot.

    Go ahead and make your case to justify the 3 grand "premium" you stupid cunt.
    I’m not the one that drives a Kia...wuss
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:


    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    insinceredawg said:

    doogie said:

    Had nothing to do with FED dumping assets.

    Nothing at all.

    Please explain why the tariffs will help this country? This will spark a trade war and the losers will be consumers.
    I actually don't mind tariffs. This is essentially a consumption tax. The more imported crap you use, the more you pay.

    I kind of wish we just had a national sales tax vs income tax anyway. At least everyone pays for this tax.
    I could see how this could be your take - if you're a retarded weakling that needs tariffs to protect your shitty business model.

    Go kill yourself, you tax loving donkey.
    If you buy foreign cars you pay a premium. Big fucking deal.

    Who even thinks this thing will pass? It’s postering. A nutless monkey can see that.
    Yeah. Hyundai's and Kia's cost a fucking fortune.

    You're a nutless monkey.
    Premium doesn’t mean expensive. When you have to pay $18k instead of $15k for a new Kia, that’s called paying a premium. I hope you now understand the difference you nutless monkey
    I understand the difference between you and someone who isn't a faggot.

    Go ahead and make your case to justify the 3 grand "premium" you stupid cunt.
    I’m not the one that drives a Kia...wuss
    Did Sledog help you with that one?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:


    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    insinceredawg said:

    doogie said:

    Had nothing to do with FED dumping assets.

    Nothing at all.

    Please explain why the tariffs will help this country? This will spark a trade war and the losers will be consumers.
    I actually don't mind tariffs. This is essentially a consumption tax. The more imported crap you use, the more you pay.

    I kind of wish we just had a national sales tax vs income tax anyway. At least everyone pays for this tax.
    I could see how this could be your take - if you're a retarded weakling that needs tariffs to protect your shitty business model.

    Go kill yourself, you tax loving donkey.
    If you buy foreign cars you pay a premium. Big fucking deal.

    Who even thinks this thing will pass? It’s postering. A nutless monkey can see that.
    Yeah. Hyundai's and Kia's cost a fucking fortune.

    You're a nutless monkey.
    Premium doesn’t mean expensive. When you have to pay $18k instead of $15k for a new Kia, that’s called paying a premium. I hope you now understand the difference you nutless monkey
    I understand the difference between you and someone who isn't a faggot.

    Go ahead and make your case to justify the 3 grand "premium" you stupid cunt.
    I’m not the one that drives a Kia...wuss
    Did Sledog help you with that one?
    Obviously not. I would have said "not the flaming spandex butt pirate driving a Kia".
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:


    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    insinceredawg said:

    doogie said:

    Had nothing to do with FED dumping assets.

    Nothing at all.

    Please explain why the tariffs will help this country? This will spark a trade war and the losers will be consumers.
    I actually don't mind tariffs. This is essentially a consumption tax. The more imported crap you use, the more you pay.

    I kind of wish we just had a national sales tax vs income tax anyway. At least everyone pays for this tax.
    I could see how this could be your take - if you're a retarded weakling that needs tariffs to protect your shitty business model.

    Go kill yourself, you tax loving donkey.
    If you buy foreign cars you pay a premium. Big fucking deal.

    Who even thinks this thing will pass? It’s postering. A nutless monkey can see that.
    Yeah. Hyundai's and Kia's cost a fucking fortune.

    You're a nutless monkey.
    Premium doesn’t mean expensive. When you have to pay $18k instead of $15k for a new Kia, that’s called paying a premium. I hope you now understand the difference you nutless monkey
    I understand the difference between you and someone who isn't a faggot.

    Go ahead and make your case to justify the 3 grand "premium" you stupid cunt.
    I’m not the one that drives a Kia...wuss
    Did Sledog help you with that one?
    Obviously not. I would have said "not the flaming spandex butt pirate driving a Kia".
    You seem to have a fetish with flaming spandex butt pirates.
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    $250 million is about what the New EQC under construction is slated to cost.
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited March 2018
    LO fucking L

    Bill Richardson: Trump doing right thing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/democratic-congresswoman-supports-trumps-tariffs-we-cant-afford-to-lose-us-steel-production.html

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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    And now doogie will pull some dumbfuck Democrat housewoman out of his hat to show his undying love for Trump and his stupid fucking tariffs.

    Talk about LOfuckingL

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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:

    LO fucking L

    Bill Richardson: Trump doing right thing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/democratic-congresswoman-supports-trumps-tariffs-we-cant-afford-to-lose-us-steel-production.html

    There are dumb fucking Democrats too. Your point?
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    dflea said:

    greenblood said:


    dflea said:

    greenblood said:

    insinceredawg said:

    doogie said:

    Had nothing to do with FED dumping assets.

    Nothing at all.

    Please explain why the tariffs will help this country? This will spark a trade war and the losers will be consumers.
    I actually don't mind tariffs. This is essentially a consumption tax. The more imported crap you use, the more you pay.

    I kind of wish we just had a national sales tax vs income tax anyway. At least everyone pays for this tax.
    I could see how this could be your take - if you're a retarded weakling that needs tariffs to protect your shitty business model.

    Go kill yourself, you tax loving donkey.
    If you buy foreign cars you pay a premium. Big fucking deal.

    Who even thinks this thing will pass? It’s postering. A nutless monkey can see that.
    Yeah. Hyundai's and Kia's cost a fucking fortune.

    You're a nutless monkey.
    Premium doesn’t mean expensive. When you have to pay $18k instead of $15k for a new Kia, that’s called paying a premium. I hope you now understand the difference you nutless monkey
    I understand the difference between you and someone who isn't a faggot.

    Go ahead and make your case to justify the 3 grand "premium" you stupid cunt.
    I’m not the one that drives a Kia...wuss
    Did Sledog help you with that one?
    Obviously not. I would have said "not the flaming spandex butt pirate driving a Kia".
    Good God you are a limited man.
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Trump should not raise tariffs on EU cars. That would be wrong.

    Instead Trump should just make sure EU tariffs and US tariffs are equal so it will be fair and no one will be able to complain
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:

    Trump should not raise tariffs on EU cars. That would be wrong.

    Instead Trump should just make sure EU tariffs and US tariffs are equal so it will be fair and no one will be able to complain

    Everything equal? I never took you for a Marxist but it's a good look on you.
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited March 2018
    What a stupid mother fucker.

    I didn't say Trump should ensure equal outcomes amoeba brain but I'm all for a Level Playing Field aren't you?
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    doogie said:

    What a stupid mother fucker.

    I didn't say Trump should ensure equal outcomes amoeba brain but I'm all for a Level Playing Field aren't you?

    Agreed we need to level the playing field for OPEC and Russia. The US was becoming too energy independent.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2018-03-04/trump-tariffs-are-gift-opec-russia-not-us-shale-oil-gas-pipelines
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:

    What a stupid mother fucker.

    I didn't say Trump should ensure equal outcomes amoeba brain but I'm all for a Level Playing Field aren't you?

    Just like the tax cut created a level playing field? Fuck you are a dumb Trump fed motherfucker. Think for yourself.
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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    I'm all for going on offense right now
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited March 2018
    The pipeline Bloomberg bit is funny...they don't understand the total costs of pipelines (it ain't just steel). Not as dumb as HondoFS' new sidekick (HI CirrhosisoftheBrain), but amusing...

    As for why aluminum and steel were chosen its a direct shot at China...the media and a few folks around here appear too dumb to realize this. For those that don't think this look at this story from about a year ago:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-chinese-billionaire-may-have-hidden-6-of-the-worlds-aluminum-in-the-mexican-desert-2016-9

    Why exactly would a Chinese billionaire store 6% of the world's aluminum in a desert in Mexico along the US border if it wasn't to illegally get it to the US via NAFTA? And for this and a few others caught I guarantee there is at least 10x more coming through illegally. The best part was the end when he said 'my bad...we really meant to send that to Vietnam.'

    That said I'm assuming this is more of a negotiating ploy than anything else...long term I'm ok with China subsidizing our raw materials...the balance in trade has to be in respecting intellectual property (they don't), opening up their markets to our finished products (they don't unless their specific market isn't caught up enough to make it themselves), and opening up their internal businesses to non-Chinese investments. And we have an inertia of 30 years of politicians not really caring...I'll believe that actually changed when I see some of those things addressed.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,436 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    What a stupid mother fucker.

    I didn't say Trump should ensure equal outcomes amoeba brain but I'm all for a Level Playing Field aren't you?


    Think for yourself    .
    Yes. Tell us how this works. We can hardly wait to hear your expertise.
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    HoustonHusky said:

    The pipeline Bloomberg bit is funny...they don't understand the total costs of pipelines (it ain't just steel). Not as dumb as HondoFS' new sidekick (HI CirrhosisoftheBrain), but amusing...

    As for why aluminum and steel were chosen its a direct shot at China...the media and a few folks around here appear too dumb to realize this. For those that don't think this look at this story from about a year ago:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-chinese-billionaire-may-have-hidden-6-of-the-worlds-aluminum-in-the-mexican-desert-2016-9

    Why exactly would a Chinese billionaire store 6% of the world's aluminum in a desert in Mexico along the US border if it wasn't to illegally get it to the US via NAFTA? And for this and a few others caught I guarantee there is at least 10x more coming through illegally. The best part was the end when he said 'my bad...we really meant to send that to Vietnam.'

    That said I'm assuming this is more of a negotiating ploy than anything else...long term I'm ok with China subsidizing our raw materials...the balance in trade has to be in respecting intellectual property (they don't), opening up their markets to our finished products (they don't unless their specific market isn't caught up enough to make it themselves), and opening up their internal businesses to non-Chinese investments. And we have an inertia of 30 years of politicians not really caring...I'll believe that actually changed when I see some of those things addressed.

    Word salad — with @HoustonHusky “guarantees” and “assumptions,” and a link too! Very amusing.

    Just say you advocate protectionist trade policies and tariffs to support inefficient and outdated US industry.

    In other words, you’ll believe it when US industrial policy subsidizes the unskilled and uneducated. It’s ok. Just be honest.
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    HoustonHusky said:

    The pipeline Bloomberg bit is funny...they don't understand the total costs of pipelines (it ain't just steel). Not as dumb as HondoFS' new sidekick (HI CirrhosisoftheBrain), but amusing...

    As for why aluminum and steel were chosen its a direct shot at China...the media and a few folks around here appear too dumb to realize this. For those that don't think this look at this story from about a year ago:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-chinese-billionaire-may-have-hidden-6-of-the-worlds-aluminum-in-the-mexican-desert-2016-9

    Why exactly would a Chinese billionaire store 6% of the world's aluminum in a desert in Mexico along the US border if it wasn't to illegally get it to the US via NAFTA? And for this and a few others caught I guarantee there is at least 10x more coming through illegally. The best part was the end when he said 'my bad...we really meant to send that to Vietnam.'

    That said I'm assuming this is more of a negotiating ploy than anything else...long term I'm ok with China subsidizing our raw materials...the balance in trade has to be in respecting intellectual property (they don't), opening up their markets to our finished products (they don't unless their specific market isn't caught up enough to make it themselves), and opening up their internal businesses to non-Chinese investments. And we have an inertia of 30 years of politicians not really caring...I'll believe that actually changed when I see some of those things addressed.

    It's not just Bloomberg, the entire oil and natural gas industry has slammed the tariffs. This is what AOPL said but I'm sure that HoustoFS knows better.

    AOPL said the ICF study indicated that trade or material purchasing restrictions that raised pipe costs 25% would translate into a $76 million cost increase for a 280-mile pipeline project. Tariffs on steel or welded pipe could delay or cancel new projects and end up hurting American workers through less pipeline construction, AOPL said.

    Addressing the steel market, AOPL said U.S. firms do not make enough pipeline-grade steel that must meet high quality specifications to protect against cracking or flaws that are not required for other steel products. Pipeline-grade steel is such a niche market -– at 3% of the total steel market -– that U.S. steel producers largely exited the business due to lower margins and chose to focus on higher volume products such as steel for cars and appliances, AOPL said.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Sounds grand, but "material" is only about 15% of the total cost of a pipeline...labor is the largest chunk of it, transportation of the pipes, land rights, etc. etc. So a 25% tariff on steel means the actual pipeline costs only go up less than 4%...

    A public reference from a couple years ago...
    https://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-112/issue-9/special-report-pipeline-economics/crude-oil-pipeline-growth-revenues-surge-construction-costs-mount.html

    Like I said, the Bloomberg guy was a moron...
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    HoustonHusky said:

    Sounds grand, but "material" is only about 15% of the total cost of a pipeline...labor is the largest chunk of it, transportation of the pipes, land rights, etc. etc. So a 25% tariff on steel means the actual pipeline costs only go up less than 4%...

    A public reference from a couple years ago...
    https://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-112/issue-9/special-report-pipeline-economics/crude-oil-pipeline-growth-revenues-surge-construction-costs-mount.html

    Like I said, the Bloomberg guy was a moron...

    Look at the trumpanzees rationalizing and justifying their desire to fuck over consumers to protect the useless and unproductive. Cars? Energy? They will only cost a little bit more...
    Same arguments unions and minimum wage advocates use. Same arguments from everyone who can’t compete on their own.
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    HoustonHusky said:

    Sounds grand, but "material" is only about 15% of the total cost of a pipeline...labor is the largest chunk of it, transportation of the pipes, land rights, etc. etc. So a 25% tariff on steel means the actual pipeline costs only go up less than 4%...

    A public reference from a couple years ago...
    https://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-112/issue-9/special-report-pipeline-economics/crude-oil-pipeline-growth-revenues-surge-construction-costs-mount.html

    Like I said, the Bloomberg guy was a moron...

    Yeah, what a moron! So if a 25% tariff is so trumptastic why not make it 100%? 200%?

    Just think how great things will be then! Just like increasing the minimum wage makes us all wealthier. More protection for uneconomic US assets the better!
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    LO fucking L

    Bill Richardson: Trump doing right thing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/democratic-congresswoman-supports-trumps-tariffs-we-cant-afford-to-lose-us-steel-production.html

    There are dumb fucking Democrats too. Your point?
    Tariffs & protectionism is a long union/Dem position. How I love the hypocrisy on parade.
    True. The GOP deserves credit for its historical opposition to tariffs as self-defeating stupidity. Except for for a few lonely and feeble voices of opposition to this, where is the GOP now?
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    LO fucking L

    Bill Richardson: Trump doing right thing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/democratic-congresswoman-supports-trumps-tariffs-we-cant-afford-to-lose-us-steel-production.html

    There are dumb fucking Democrats too. Your point?
    Tariffs & protectionism is a long union/Dem position. How I love the hypocrisy on parade.
    Wasn't it Clinton who showered before N AFTA banging Monica? I mean wasn't it Clinton that pimped NAFTA?
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Always grand when one dumb response is not good enough so CirrhosisoftheBrain hits reply twice and still ignores all the salient points.

    HondoFS must be proud...
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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    HoustonHusky said:

    Always grand when one dumb response is not good enough so CirrhosisoftheBrain hits reply twice and still ignores all the salient points.

    HondoFS must be proud...

    Please. Go on defending tariffs and protectionism. You are a font of “salient” points about fucking over consumers to protect inefficiency and obsolescence.

    It’s always grand.
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    HoustonHusky said:

    Sounds grand, but "material" is only about 15% of the total cost of a pipeline...labor is the largest chunk of it, transportation of the pipes, land rights, etc. etc. So a 25% tariff on steel means the actual pipeline costs only go up less than 4%...

    A public reference from a couple years ago...
    https://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-112/issue-9/special-report-pipeline-economics/crude-oil-pipeline-growth-revenues-surge-construction-costs-mount.html

    Like I said, the Bloomberg guy was a moron...

    Even if I take your numbers at face value a 4% increase on a several hundred million dollar pipeline isn't non trivial. I'm sure you would be happy to eat a 4% increase in your income or property taxes because it's only 4%, right?

    The major oil and natural gas trade groups already came out against the tariff. Bloomberg and the other outlets are now just reporting on it. But if HoustoFS says that it's not a big deal then I guess I should just dismiss what the entire industry is saying.
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