According to many on the left, even the NYT is racist now

Lets just dispense already with the false notion that sanctuary cities, their administrators and supporters have any bargaining power on this issue. They have no ground to stand on. They are operating against the law. Start arresting sanctuary city mayors, sanctuary state governors, make these faggots and their supporters understand that they are not in charge, that they don't have the authority to set immigration policy.

CirrhosisDawg said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Lets just dispense already with the false notion that sanctuary cities, their administrators and supporters have any bargaining power on this issue. They have no ground to stand on. They are operating against the law. Start arresting sanctuary city mayors, sanctuary state governors, make these faggots and their supporters understand that they are not in charge, that they don't have the authority to set immigration policy.

Immigration is federal law, enforced by and with federal resources. It has nothing to do with states or cities. You didn’t know that?

California has important work going on helping lead the world, and we choose not to waste our resources on trumpian foolishness.

When you start punishing businesses for complying with federal immigration law among other things, you have inserted yourself into the conversation, and it won't end well for you. California has zero rights when it comes to setting immigration policy. When you start making laws that get in the way of enforcing deportations, you're going to be dealt with.

YellowSnow said:

Apparently many on the left are up in arms with the NY Times and starting an #unsubscribe movement, for allowing one of their token center-right, Never Trumpers, Ross Douthat to publish the following op-ed. I swear to god these whackos are drive my cuck ass into the arms of the Troomps.

Because #fakeconservative @oregonblitzkrieg has used up his monthly allotment of 10 free articles from the New York Times, I decided to cut and past in TL, DR format. You're welcome!

"After 12 years of failed attempts at immigration reform, the current round of negotiations are turning on a strangely personalized question: When a deal is being made, should Stephen Miller be at the table?

Miller is the White House’s point man for immigration policy (and for strange and strident encounters with the press). He is also an immigration restrictionist: He wants a policy that favors skills-based recruitment over extended families, and he wants a lower immigration rate overall. He says he’s concerned about assimilation and crime and native wages; his critics say he just wants to keep America as white as possible, and that by even bringing him to meetings Trump is making a deal impossible to reach.

The critics are right about this much: Having someone like Miller involved is a change from the way prior immigration negotiations have proceeded. As Jim Antle points out in a column for The Week, those negotiations have been consistently bipartisan, bringing together John McCain and Ted Kennedy, Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer, now Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin — but “they have mostly taken place between people who are fundamentally in agreement on immigration,” who favor both amnesty for illegal immigrants and reforms that would probably increase immigration rates.

The problem with this approach is that it doesn’t represent the actual divisions in the country. Americans have become more pro-immigration since the 1990s, but there is still a consistent pattern when you ask about immigration rates: About a third of Americans favor the current trend, slightly fewer want higher rates, and about a third, like Miller, want immigration reduced.

And there are various reasonable grounds on which one might favor a reduction. The foreign-born share of the U.S. population is near a record high, and increased diversity and the distrust it sows have clearly put stresses on our politics. There are questions about how fast the recent wave of low-skilled immigrants is assimilating, evidence that constant new immigration makes it harder for earlier arrivals to advance, and reasons to think that a native working class gripped by social crisis might benefit from a little less wage competition for a while. California, the model for a high-immigration future, is prosperous and dynamic — but also increasingly stratified by race, with the same inequality-measuring Gini coefficient as Honduras. Hi @CirrhosisDawg

With that said, JAKE BROWNING SUCKS illegal immigration has slowed over the last decade, and immigration’s potential economic and humanitarian benefits are still considerable. And it’s also clear that many immigration restrictionists are influenced by simple bigotry — with the president’s recent excrement-related remarks a noteworthy illustration.

This bigotry, from the point of view of many immigration advocates, justifies excluding real restrictionists from the negotiating table. You can give them a little more money for border security, some promises about reducing illegal entry. But you can’t let them play a large role in shaping policy. The limits of this strategy, though, are evident in the repeated failure of “comprehensive” immigration reform over the last decade and more, doomed each time by the gulf between the plans of Republican negotiators and the actual preferences of their voters.

The present view of many liberals seems to be that restrictionists can eventually be steamrolled — that the same ethnic transformations that have made white anxiety acute will eventually bury white-identity politics with sheer multiethnic numbers.

But liberals have been waiting 12 years for that “eventually” to arrive, and instead Trump is president and the illegal immigrants they want to protect are still in limbo. So maybe it would be worth trying to actually negotiate with Stephen Miller, rather than telling Trump that he needs to lock his adviser in a filing cabinet, slap on a “beware of leopard” sign, and hustle out to the Rose Garden to sign whatever Durbin and Graham have hashed out.

Especially since last week, Trump and Miller actually made an interesting offer: an amnesty and even a path to citizenship for DACA recipients and other Dreamers, more generous than what many restrictionists favor and with no promise of the new E-Verify enforcements conservatives often seek, in return for a shift (over many years) to a skills-based policy and a somewhat lower immigration rate.

If you’re committed to the view that restrictionists can and must be steamrolled, you’ll respond to this offer the way many Democrats have — call it a “white supremacist ransom note,” punt on policy, and use the issue to rally your base in 2018.

But if you think that lasting deals are forged when all sides are represented, you might consider making a counteroffer: for instance, the same rough blueprint but with more green cards for skilled immigrants, so that Miller gets his cuts to low-skilled immigration but the overall rate stays closer to the status quo.

I don’t know if there’s a deal to be had along those lines; restrictionists might rebel and Democrats might simply not want a grand bargain with this president."

Douthat, Brett Stephens, Jonah Goldberg, David French, Kevin Williamson, David Frum, even Ben Shapiro and Erick Erickson, are doing great work as the bulwark of Never Trump — highlighting the disparity between supposed conservative policies and values and trump. Liberal backlash to them is the mirror image of trumpism.

Today’s Tug has been great to read. I always expect great insights from @YellowSnow. There’s also been interesting takes from Race and Salem.

Lots of vitriol however here though. I hate that! Thats why I’ve spent most of my time on the football board today. It’s the off-season and the only time I have any opening or opportunity to post there. We’re piling on DDY and his concerns about Garfield and Rainier beach high schools. Good shit.