According to many on the left, even the NYT is racist now
Because #fakeconservative @oregonblitzkrieg has used up his monthly allotment of 10 free articles from the New York Times, I decided to cut and past in TL, DR format. You're welcome!
"After 12 years of failed attempts at immigration reform, the current round of negotiations are turning on a strangely personalized question: When a deal is being made, should Stephen Miller be at the table?
Miller is the White House’s point man for immigration policy (and for strange and strident encounters with the press). He is also an immigration restrictionist: He wants a policy that favors skills-based recruitment over extended families, and he wants a lower immigration rate overall. He says he’s concerned about assimilation and crime and native wages; his critics say he just wants to keep America as white as possible, and that by even bringing him to meetings Trump is making a deal impossible to reach.
The critics are right about this much: Having someone like Miller involved is a change from the way prior immigration negotiations have proceeded. As Jim Antle points out in a column for The Week, those negotiations have been consistently bipartisan, bringing together John McCain and Ted Kennedy, Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer, now Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin — but “they have mostly taken place between people who are fundamentally in agreement on immigration,” who favor both amnesty for illegal immigrants and reforms that would probably increase immigration rates.
The problem with this approach is that it doesn’t represent the actual divisions in the country. Americans have become more pro-immigration since the 1990s, but there is still a consistent pattern when you ask about immigration rates: About a third of Americans favor the current trend, slightly fewer want higher rates, and about a third, like Miller, want immigration reduced.
And there are various reasonable grounds on which one might favor a reduction. The foreign-born share of the U.S. population is near a record high, and increased diversity and the distrust it sows have clearly put stresses on our politics. There are questions about how fast the recent wave of low-skilled immigrants is assimilating, evidence that constant new immigration makes it harder for earlier arrivals to advance, and reasons to think that a native working class gripped by social crisis might benefit from a little less wage competition for a while. California, the model for a high-immigration future, is prosperous and dynamic — but also increasingly stratified by race, with the same inequality-measuring Gini coefficient as Honduras. Hi @CirrhosisDawg
With that said, JAKE BROWNING SUCKS illegal immigration has slowed over the last decade, and immigration’s potential economic and humanitarian benefits are still considerable. And it’s also clear that many immigration restrictionists are influenced by simple bigotry — with the president’s recent excrement-related remarks a noteworthy illustration.
This bigotry, from the point of view of many immigration advocates, justifies excluding real restrictionists from the negotiating table. You can give them a little more money for border security, some promises about reducing illegal entry. But you can’t let them play a large role in shaping policy. The limits of this strategy, though, are evident in the repeated failure of “comprehensive” immigration reform over the last decade and more, doomed each time by the gulf between the plans of Republican negotiators and the actual preferences of their voters.
The present view of many liberals seems to be that restrictionists can eventually be steamrolled — that the same ethnic transformations that have made white anxiety acute will eventually bury white-identity politics with sheer multiethnic numbers.
But liberals have been waiting 12 years for that “eventually” to arrive, and instead Trump is president and the illegal immigrants they want to protect are still in limbo. So maybe it would be worth trying to actually negotiate with Stephen Miller, rather than telling Trump that he needs to lock his adviser in a filing cabinet, slap on a “beware of leopard” sign, and hustle out to the Rose Garden to sign whatever Durbin and Graham have hashed out.
Especially since last week, Trump and Miller actually made an interesting offer: an amnesty and even a path to citizenship for DACA recipients and other Dreamers, more generous than what many restrictionists favor and with no promise of the new E-Verify enforcements conservatives often seek, in return for a shift (over many years) to a skills-based policy and a somewhat lower immigration rate.
If you’re committed to the view that restrictionists can and must be steamrolled, you’ll respond to this offer the way many Democrats have — call it a “white supremacist ransom note,” punt on policy, and use the issue to rally your base in 2018.
But if you think that lasting deals are forged when all sides are represented, you might consider making a counteroffer: for instance, the same rough blueprint but with more green cards for skilled immigrants, so that Miller gets his cuts to low-skilled immigration but the overall rate stays closer to the status quo.
I don’t know if there’s a deal to be had along those lines; restrictionists might rebel and Democrats might simply not want a grand bargain with this president."
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I still can't figure out what benefits mass illegal low skilled and non educated people are bringing.
Also didn't realize the Dems push back on everify.
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Since the democrats are the party of racism what they bring is simple, democratic votes! As the recently leaked DNC memo touts dreamers as the democrats key to winning future elections. Dem's have purchased votes since '64 and this is nothing new except that they wish to import those votes. Dem's in Kali are registering illegals to vote. That they want to bring i the poor is the key piece of information. They arrive poor and immediately go on government assistance and the dems always promise more free money and benefits and adds them to the democratic machines indentured voting block who's subsistence relies on those benefits. Why else would we have 7 generations of the same families on welfare etc. HTHPitchfork51 said:I still can't figure out what benefits mass illegal low skilled and non educated people are bringing.
Also didn't realize the Dems push back on everify.
Not that it matters since every illegal has a fake social. -
I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years. -
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The benefit is their vote. HTHPitchfork51 said:I still can't figure out what benefits mass illegal low skilled and non educated people are bringing.
Also didn't realize the Dems push back on everify.
Not that it matters since every illegal has a fake social. -
Illegals are breaking the law by definition. Kreist, if even the resident, allegedly conservative coog is pushing amnesty, this country is fucked. It would be door ass out for every illegal if it were up to me, but it's not, so we're forced to negotiate with the likes of shitstains like Pelosi who think it's racist to even think about reducing immigration, in order to gain long term concessions to reduce all future immigration to a trickle. The far left will have to moderate themselves because the danger they want to expose the country to from mass immigration open borders won't be tolerated by most of America.salemcoog said:I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years. -
oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals are breaking the law by definition. Kreist, if even the resident, allegedly conservative coog is pushing amnesty, this country is fucked. It would be door ass out for every illegal if it were up to me, but it's not, so we're forced to negotiate with the likes of shitstains like Pelosi who think it's racist to even think about reducing immigration, in order to gain long term concessions to reduce all future immigration to a trickle. The far left will have to moderate themselves because the danger they want to expose the country to from mass immigration open borders won't be tolerated by most of America.salemcoog said:I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years. -
That's a logical plan that would get 80% support.salemcoog said:I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years.
Which means we can't have it. -
oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals are breaking the law by definition. Kreist, if even the resident, allegedly conservative coog is pushing amnesty, this country is fucked. It would be door ass out for every illegal if it were up to me, but it's not, so we're forced to negotiate with the likes of shitstains like Pelosi who think it's racist to even think about reducing immigration, in order to gain long term concessions to reduce all future immigration to a trickle. The far left will have to moderate themselves because the danger they want to expose the country to from mass immigration open borders won't be tolerated by most of America.salemcoog said:I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years.
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Salem broh, meat OBK. OBK, meat Salem, my main CUOG!!!!!!!!salemcoog said:I don't see how it WOULD benefit our Country to give folks the boot who have been working, paying taxes and not breaking the law. If they stole someone's job when they got here, it's their's now and many of those employees wouldn't be replaced quickly. Meanwhile farmers, restaurants and hotels and creeps lawn are working shorthanded.
Trump actually has the balls to get something like this done. Give an amnesty plan to not just the DACA's but also the folks who have been here 10 or more years and fit the above stated criteria. But on the back end of this, there would be no more sanctuary cities and local and state law enforcement would need to cooperate and collaborate with ICE, Feds and Border Patrol to make illegals that don't fit the criteria to GTFO. I don't really care about the wall as that's just a rallying point for low info voter.
If he were to step up and do that, it would absolutely neuter the Democratic party for years.
Salem thinks you're a low info voter and doesn't think the wall is a real thing.
Just wanted to make sure you two met.
