Creepy's Thoughts on Crystal
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The problem Taggart is going to have at FSU is that every time he's going against Dabo or Saban for a recruit, those two are smart enough to break out the Troy Dye "He lied to me and my brother" tweet. The same would've happened to Norvell if he left Memphis for Oregon before the ink on his extension dried. Once a coach cracks the veneer in their "I'm an honest upright citizen" act, they're toast.haie said:
Let me clarify.creepycoug said:
Eh, I think hats pretty much dead wrong. I'm surprised because you're generally all over the Ducks. A program in the NW doesn't make it to two title games without wanting to be more than respectable. I think it's pretty clear that the Ducks want to win. Doesnt follow from that that they're going to do everything or even most things right.haie said:
My perception is they care about being respectable and not going into a UW type vortex of embarrassment.creepycoug said:
Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.haie said:
If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.creepycoug said:
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).haie said:Norvell.
The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.
I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.
He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.
Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.
Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.
But controlling the conference? With this hire?
Fair.RoadDawg55 said:
Tequilla?creepycoug said:A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:
1. Creepy thinks every coaching hire is, at best, more or less an informed roll of the dice. The statistical evidence for this is in. Creepy will admit one fairly embarrassing anecdote to make the point: Creepy recalls in his younger years being pretty vocally opposed to Miami hiring the mere Jimmy Johnson ('who is this guy?'), coach of one of the non-teams in a two-team conference, to replace a championship coach. The first year, 1984, and its epic defensive meltdowns did little to assuage Creepy's ire at the hire.
2. I don't fault Oregon's thought process here: the program's number one weakness is that it's in the PNW, a place relatively lacking (and sometimes devoid of) D1 talent. Gotta get someone who can recroot at the right places or it's all moot anyway. And why wouldn't you want to mitigate the damage to the class? Seems rational to me. If he works out as a coach, great; if he doesn't, do it again. Look at Washington. You keep trying until you get it right. There's upside here. This leads me to point 3.
3. Were the options that compelling? Please, do tell. I'm all ears. Is there some guy out there who isn't weird and ugly who can "flat out coach" that I'm forgetting? Sumlin would have been an interesting hire. Also a great recruiter, and HC in the SEC with some success. That might have made sense too. Color me "eh" on Harsin. I just don't think lightning is striking twice on a successful Boise State guy. Oregon is in the Pac 12 and needs someone who can recruit for playing in this conference. Is that Harsin? Is he that good a technical coach? He hasn't done there was Peterman did, so spare me that comparison.
4. What's the upside in the "stability guy from the area?" That he won't leave? Who cares? If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him. See point #1. Looking for an 18-year Don James marriage is fs. That just happens when it happens. Completely convinced of that; too many people who made too much sense on paper burned up too many times.
5. HC experience? Well, Crystal has it from coaching in cfb hell. Or just call it the coordinator promotion. Doesn't really matter. A lot of people around the game thought FIU was fs for firing him. The word on Mario, aside from being strikingly handsome, is that he's very bright. We shall see.
6. Finally, and most importantly, HE'S A CANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys can spin this as "Oregon isn't that important", but the truth is, Washington lucked into Peterman who is just weird enough to want to be up here in the PNW and not leave. Most other coaches would have left Washington for Florida State too. Hey, you guys know that feels anyway, right? There is one program (maybe) in this conference that can go in and perhaps get an established guy in an established situation to leave and come coach them, and Washington isn't that program either.
Mario may work out.
After Helfrich, after realizing Chip was the fucking man, I think UO is in the game of taking chances on coordinators they feel won’t turn it into a shitshow. Christobal can recruit, worst comes to worst they’re probably 500 with the talent he can bring in.
Where we disagree lies in the fact that Norvell has much, much more upside. He just does for me, because I think he’s a stellar coach. Even doogs admit Oregon is somewhat of a national brand; if you can get talent off of that alone and you have a stellar coach, that is where you want to be.
Christobal won’t be an embrassment due to recruiting prowess, but he’s still underwhelming compared to what you could have tried for. Same goes for Taggart last year. -
A good recruiter can sell the future. Eventually you have to win.haie said:
Let me clarify.creepycoug said:
Eh, I think hats pretty much dead wrong. I'm surprised because you're generally all over the Ducks. A program in the NW doesn't make it to two title games without wanting to be more than respectable. I think it's pretty clear that the Ducks want to win. Doesnt follow from that that they're going to do everything or even most things right.haie said:
My perception is they care about being respectable and not going into a UW type vortex of embarrassment.creepycoug said:
Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.haie said:
If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.creepycoug said:
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).haie said:Norvell.
The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.
I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.
He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.
Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.
Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.
But controlling the conference? With this hire?
Fair.RoadDawg55 said:
Tequilla?creepycoug said:A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:
1. Creepy thinks every coaching hire is, at best, more or less an informed roll of the dice. The statistical evidence for this is in. Creepy will admit one fairly embarrassing anecdote to make the point: Creepy recalls in his younger years being pretty vocally opposed to Miami hiring the mere Jimmy Johnson ('who is this guy?'), coach of one of the non-teams in a two-team conference, to replace a championship coach. The first year, 1984, and its epic defensive meltdowns did little to assuage Creepy's ire at the hire.
2. I don't fault Oregon's thought process here: the program's number one weakness is that it's in the PNW, a place relatively lacking (and sometimes devoid of) D1 talent. Gotta get someone who can recroot at the right places or it's all moot anyway. And why wouldn't you want to mitigate the damage to the class? Seems rational to me. If he works out as a coach, great; if he doesn't, do it again. Look at Washington. You keep trying until you get it right. There's upside here. This leads me to point 3.
3. Were the options that compelling? Please, do tell. I'm all ears. Is there some guy out there who isn't weird and ugly who can "flat out coach" that I'm forgetting? Sumlin would have been an interesting hire. Also a great recruiter, and HC in the SEC with some success. That might have made sense too. Color me "eh" on Harsin. I just don't think lightning is striking twice on a successful Boise State guy. Oregon is in the Pac 12 and needs someone who can recruit for playing in this conference. Is that Harsin? Is he that good a technical coach? He hasn't done there was Peterman did, so spare me that comparison.
4. What's the upside in the "stability guy from the area?" That he won't leave? Who cares? If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him. See point #1. Looking for an 18-year Don James marriage is fs. That just happens when it happens. Completely convinced of that; too many people who made too much sense on paper burned up too many times.
5. HC experience? Well, Crystal has it from coaching in cfb hell. Or just call it the coordinator promotion. Doesn't really matter. A lot of people around the game thought FIU was fs for firing him. The word on Mario, aside from being strikingly handsome, is that he's very bright. We shall see.
6. Finally, and most importantly, HE'S A CANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys can spin this as "Oregon isn't that important", but the truth is, Washington lucked into Peterman who is just weird enough to want to be up here in the PNW and not leave. Most other coaches would have left Washington for Florida State too. Hey, you guys know that feels anyway, right? There is one program (maybe) in this conference that can go in and perhaps get an established guy in an established situation to leave and come coach them, and Washington isn't that program either.
Mario may work out.
After Helfrich, after realizing Chip was the fucking man, I think UO is in the game of taking chances on coordinators they feel won’t turn it into a shitshow. Christobal can recruit, worst comes to worst they’re probably 500 with the talent he can bring in.
Where we disagree lies in the fact that Norvell has much, much more upside. He just does for me, because I think he’s a stellar coach. Even doogs admit Oregon is somewhat of a national brand; if you can get talent off of that alone and you have a stellar coach, that is where you want to be.
Christobal won’t be an embrassment due to recruiting prowess, but he’s still underwhelming compared to what you could have tried for. Same goes for Taggart last year. -
Agree about Taggart and Wilcox, but I don't think anyone really would have faulted Norvell. You're going from Memphis to Oregon, to compete at the highest level, back to the conference you first had success at.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The problem Taggart is going to have at FSU is that every time he's going against Dabo or Saban for a recruit, those two are smart enough to break out the Troy Dye "He lied to me and my brother" tweet. The same would've happened to Norvell if he left Memphis for Oregon before the ink on his extension dried. Once a coach cracks the veneer in their "I'm an honest upright citizen" act, they're toast.haie said:
Let me clarify.creepycoug said:
Eh, I think hats pretty much dead wrong. I'm surprised because you're generally all over the Ducks. A program in the NW doesn't make it to two title games without wanting to be more than respectable. I think it's pretty clear that the Ducks want to win. Doesnt follow from that that they're going to do everything or even most things right.haie said:
My perception is they care about being respectable and not going into a UW type vortex of embarrassment.creepycoug said:
Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.haie said:
If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.creepycoug said:
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).haie said:Norvell.
The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.
I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.
He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.
Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.
Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.
But controlling the conference? With this hire?
Fair.RoadDawg55 said:
Tequilla?creepycoug said:A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:
1. Creepy thinks every coaching hire is, at best, more or less an informed roll of the dice. The statistical evidence for this is in. Creepy will admit one fairly embarrassing anecdote to make the point: Creepy recalls in his younger years being pretty vocally opposed to Miami hiring the mere Jimmy Johnson ('who is this guy?'), coach of one of the non-teams in a two-team conference, to replace a championship coach. The first year, 1984, and its epic defensive meltdowns did little to assuage Creepy's ire at the hire.
2. I don't fault Oregon's thought process here: the program's number one weakness is that it's in the PNW, a place relatively lacking (and sometimes devoid of) D1 talent. Gotta get someone who can recroot at the right places or it's all moot anyway. And why wouldn't you want to mitigate the damage to the class? Seems rational to me. If he works out as a coach, great; if he doesn't, do it again. Look at Washington. You keep trying until you get it right. There's upside here. This leads me to point 3.
3. Were the options that compelling? Please, do tell. I'm all ears. Is there some guy out there who isn't weird and ugly who can "flat out coach" that I'm forgetting? Sumlin would have been an interesting hire. Also a great recruiter, and HC in the SEC with some success. That might have made sense too. Color me "eh" on Harsin. I just don't think lightning is striking twice on a successful Boise State guy. Oregon is in the Pac 12 and needs someone who can recruit for playing in this conference. Is that Harsin? Is he that good a technical coach? He hasn't done there was Peterman did, so spare me that comparison.
4. What's the upside in the "stability guy from the area?" That he won't leave? Who cares? If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him. See point #1. Looking for an 18-year Don James marriage is fs. That just happens when it happens. Completely convinced of that; too many people who made too much sense on paper burned up too many times.
5. HC experience? Well, Crystal has it from coaching in cfb hell. Or just call it the coordinator promotion. Doesn't really matter. A lot of people around the game thought FIU was fs for firing him. The word on Mario, aside from being strikingly handsome, is that he's very bright. We shall see.
6. Finally, and most importantly, HE'S A CANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys can spin this as "Oregon isn't that important", but the truth is, Washington lucked into Peterman who is just weird enough to want to be up here in the PNW and not leave. Most other coaches would have left Washington for Florida State too. Hey, you guys know that feels anyway, right? There is one program (maybe) in this conference that can go in and perhaps get an established guy in an established situation to leave and come coach them, and Washington isn't that program either.
Mario may work out.
After Helfrich, after realizing Chip was the fucking man, I think UO is in the game of taking chances on coordinators they feel won’t turn it into a shitshow. Christobal can recruit, worst comes to worst they’re probably 500 with the talent he can bring in.
Where we disagree lies in the fact that Norvell has much, much more upside. He just does for me, because I think he’s a stellar coach. Even doogs admit Oregon is somewhat of a national brand; if you can get talent off of that alone and you have a stellar coach, that is where you want to be.
Christobal won’t be an embrassment due to recruiting prowess, but he’s still underwhelming compared to what you could have tried for. Same goes for Taggart last year. -
You have a higher opinion of Norvell than I do. He has proved nothing so far. He's still in Year 2 post-Fuente, who is the one who built up that program and took them to the top of that shitheap conference. For all we know, Norvell is Helfrich with hair.
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This whole thread seems to be about how Taggart fucked Oregon not if
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Sure, it seems that way for people who can't read.doogie said:This whole thread seems to be about how Taggart fucked Oregon not if
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Shit. Make it shorter next time.creepycoug said:A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:
1. Creepy thinks every coaching hire is, at best, more or less an informed roll of the dice. The statistical evidence for this is in. Creepy will admit one fairly embarrassing anecdote to make the point: Creepy recalls in his younger years being pretty vocally opposed to Miami hiring the mere Jimmy Johnson ('who is this guy?'), coach of one of the non-teams in a two-team conference, to replace a championship coach. The first year, 1984, and its epic defensive meltdowns did little to assuage Creepy's ire at the hire.
2. I don't fault Oregon's thought process here: the program's number one weakness is that it's in the PNW, a place relatively lacking (and sometimes devoid of) D1 talent. Gotta get someone who can recroot at the right places or it's all moot anyway. And why wouldn't you want to mitigate the damage to the class? Seems rational to me. If he works out as a coach, great; if he doesn't, do it again. Look at Washington. You keep trying until you get it right. There's upside here. This leads me to point 3.
3. Were the options that compelling? Please, do tell. I'm all ears. Is there some guy out there who isn't weird and ugly who can "flat out coach" that I'm forgetting? Sumlin would have been an interesting hire. Also a great recruiter, and HC in the SEC with some success. That might have made sense too. Color me "eh" on Harsin. I just don't think lightning is striking twice on a successful Boise State guy. Oregon is in the Pac 12 and needs someone who can recruit for playing in this conference. Is that Harsin? Is he that good a technical coach? He hasn't done there was Peterman did, so spare me that comparison.
4. What's the upside in the "stability guy from the area?" That he won't leave? Who cares? If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him. See point #1. Looking for an 18-year Don James marriage is fs. That just happens when it happens. Completely convinced of that; too many people who made too much sense on paper burned up too many times.
5. HC experience? Well, Crystal has it from coaching in cfb hell. Or just call it the coordinator promotion. Doesn't really matter. A lot of people around the game thought FIU was fs for firing him. The word on Mario, aside from being strikingly handsome, is that he's very bright. We shall see.
6. Finally, and most importantly, HE'S A CANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys can spin this as "Oregon isn't that important", but the truth is, Washington lucked into Peterman who is just weird enough to want to be up here in the PNW and not leave. Most other coaches would have left Washington for Florida State too. Hey, you guys know that feels anyway, right? There is one program (maybe) in this conference that can go in and perhaps get an established guy in an established situation to leave and come coach them, and Washington isn't that program either.
Mario may work out. -
One point that Wilner has been hammering home is that if you are a PAC school and you hire a coach that grew up in the West they are a lot less likely to be tempted by every better job in the SEC, BIG, etc. Ironic that our best coach was a Midwest guy that played for the shitty Canes.
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creepy went from a rational reply to an possible early call that UO is fucked to way over into an irrational take on the other side with the quooks that they aren't fucked.
In conclusion I am ruling in favor of the quooks being fucked until I see that they aren't -
If only creepy possessed a single original thought
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ironical ... plagiarism my shit bucko!doogie said:If only creepy possessed a single original thought
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Can I have LIPO for $100 Alex?RaceBannon said:creepy went from a rational reply to an possible early call that UO is fucked to way over into an irrational take on the other side with the quooks that they aren't fucked.
In conclusion I am ruling in favor of the quooks being fucked until I see that they aren't -
UO gave up on football. They let another program steal their coach and did nothing about it. Instead of ponying up big money and stealing another program's coach, they hired a fucking assistant who has a poor head coaching record. Why is a fucking Cane quooking about it? Go fuck yourself. Even I'm not quooking about any of this shit. This is what happens when you spend less than a fucking week on a coaching search. The most important job in the program and they spend a fucking week looking for the next coach. Enough said.
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This is just stupid.oregonblitzkrieg said:UO gave up on football. They let another program steal their coach and did nothing about it. Instead of ponying up big money and stealing another program's coach, they hired a fucking assistant who has a poor head coaching record. Why is a fucking Cane quooking about it? Go fuck yourself. Even I'm not quooking about any of this shit. This is what happens when you spend less than a fucking week on a coaching search. The most important job in the program and they spend a fucking week looking for the next coach. Enough said.
1. They spent a week because of who was available;
2. Are you saying they should have done better in bidding war with FSU to keep Willie? Dumber than I thought (and that's saying something); and
3. They might be in a better position now if they do have to fix this in 2 or 3 years because his contract is back ended. If he works out, then they were right and it'll be harder for the next FSU to come get him. If not, they dump him and move on, and at least the the cupboards won't be bare for the next guy.
Go back to your spot monkey and tell us about all of your winning. -
Every coach was available to the richest owner in collage sports. Knight bought the coach he wanted to afford.
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Phil Knight is richer than FSU. HTH, fucking idiot.creepycoug said:
This is just stupid.oregonblitzkrieg said:UO gave up on football. They let another program steal their coach and did nothing about it. Instead of ponying up big money and stealing another program's coach, they hired a fucking assistant who has a poor head coaching record. Why is a fucking Cane quooking about it? Go fuck yourself. Even I'm not quooking about any of this shit. This is what happens when you spend less than a fucking week on a coaching search. The most important job in the program and they spend a fucking week looking for the next coach. Enough said.
1. They spent a week because of who was available;
2. Are you saying they should have done better in bidding war with FSU to keep Willie? Dumber than I thought (and that's saying something); and
3. They might be in a better position now if they do have to fix this in 2 or 3 years because his contract is back ended. If he works out, then they were right and it'll be harder for the next FSU to come get him. If not, they dump him and move on, and at least the the cupboards won't be bare for the next guy.
Go back to your spot monkey and tell us about all of your winning. -
Wow. Your elevator hasn't hit the first floor of stupid either. Racebannon almighty!oregonblitzkrieg said:
Phil Knight is richer than FSU. HTH, fucking idiot.creepycoug said:
This is just stupid.oregonblitzkrieg said:UO gave up on football. They let another program steal their coach and did nothing about it. Instead of ponying up big money and stealing another program's coach, they hired a fucking assistant who has a poor head coaching record. Why is a fucking Cane quooking about it? Go fuck yourself. Even I'm not quooking about any of this shit. This is what happens when you spend less than a fucking week on a coaching search. The most important job in the program and they spend a fucking week looking for the next coach. Enough said.
1. They spent a week because of who was available;
2. Are you saying they should have done better in bidding war with FSU to keep Willie? Dumber than I thought (and that's saying something); and
3. They might be in a better position now if they do have to fix this in 2 or 3 years because his contract is back ended. If he works out, then they were right and it'll be harder for the next FSU to come get him. If not, they dump him and move on, and at least the the cupboards won't be bare for the next guy.
Go back to your spot monkey and tell us about all of your winning.
Maybe all caps will help you:
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE BETTER IN A BIDDING WAR WITH FSU TO KEEP WILLIE?
Where, in that, do you see anything suggesting that Oregon couldn't afford to go toe to toe financially with FSU? Where? Do you see it? Huh? No? Perhaps because IT'S NOT THERE.
Again, I ask: are you saying that Oregon should have allowed themselves to get caught up in a bidding war to keep Willie? A bidding war which, had they prevailed, would have extended his term and cost them more? A guy whose record as based almost entirely on one good year at USF? Didn't they just do something about that stupid with Helfrich?
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It has everything to do with what they are willing to afford and what they aren't, fuckwit. If they believed Willie was the messiah that would take them to the promised land, they would have paid whatever price was necessary to make it happen. They didn't because Knight is a cheap bitch who will now never live to see a title because he's shown he's not willing to put his money where his mouth is.
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Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Who is the creep you speak of? I need to meat this guy!
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Going to stop you right there. You guys should stop acting like Pete belongs in the same discussion as coaches like Saban, Meyer and Kelly. There's a steep drop off between genius level coaches and good, solid coaches. Pete is a good coach. He's no genius.YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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OK!oregonblitzkrieg said:
Going to stop you right there. You guys should stop acting like Pete belongs in the same discussion as coaches like Saban, Meyer and Kelly. There's a steep drop off between genius level coachs and good, solid coaches. Pete is a good coach. He's no genius.YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Free MF'in pub.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Pete's resume stacks up as well as any coach in the country who hasn't won NTs at multiple programs. Winning big at 2 different programs is a yuge fucking deal. He's not the revolutionary the Chip was/is but an equally great coach in a different way.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Going to stop you right there. You guys should stop acting like Pete belongs in the same discussion as coaches like Saban, Meyer and Kelly. There's a steep drop off between genius level coaches and good, solid coaches. Pete is a good coach. He's no genius.YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
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Leave him alone. OBK is winning. He doesn't think coordinator and "assistant types" make good HCs; gotta go with the splash hire. Like the 4th of JueLie!YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
Knight dropped a half a billion on a science complex just the other day, has thrown hundreds of millions at them on other stuff for the school, cares about sports a lot, but just can't see his way to being on board with the difference between what a Norvell, Tedford, Sumlin or similar guy would cost and Mario Brothers. Just won't do it.
Look genius. People say 'no' to USC all the time, and they have money too. Pete Carroll was, what, their 4th choice? The amount of $$ that it would take to get a guy like Meyer to drop OSU would be beyond staggering, and if it didn't work out, and it doesn't at least as often as it does, you're back to square one.
Arguing Norvell, Sumlin, Tedford, Harsin, etc. is one thing. Whatever that would have cost is a detail to PK. Arguing Saban, Meyer, or some other all-timer is something quite different. I don't think this game is as easy as it must seem to you from your recliner in Eagles Landing Phase IV.
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Fixed.creepycoug said:
Leave him alone. OBK is winning. He doesn't think coordinator and "assistant types" make good HCs; gotta go with the splash hire. Like the 4th of JewLie!YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
Knight dropped a half a billion on a science complex just the other day, has thrown hundreds of millions at them on other stuff for the school, cares about sports a lot, but just can't see his way to being on board with the difference between what a Norvell, Tedford, Sumlin or similar guy would cost and Mario Brothers. Just won't do it.
Look genius. People say 'no' to USC all the time, and they have money too. Pete Carroll was, what, their 4th choice? The amount of $$ that it would take to get a guy like Meyer to drop OSU would be beyond staggering, and if it didn't work out, and it doesn't at least as often as it does, you're back to square one.
Arguing Norvell, Sumlin, Tedford, Harsin, etc. is one thing. Whatever that would have cost is a detail to PK. Arguing Saban, Meyer, or some other all-timer is something quite different. I don't think this game is as easy as it must seem to you from your recliner in Eagles Landing Phase IV. -
Look at Texas A&M - what's the likelihood Jimbo is going to deliver the results they are looking for at $7.5 million x 10 years? There's no lock that that guy is going to win a SEC title. Georgia went the coordinator route and is in the fucking playoff. Miami went the retread route and got damn near the playoff.creepycoug said:
Leave him alone. OBK is winning. He doesn't think coordinator and "assistant types" make good HCs; gotta go with the splash hire. Like the 4th of JueLie!YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
Knight dropped a half a billion on a science complex just the other day, has thrown hundreds of millions at them on other stuff for the school, cares about sports a lot, but just can't see his way to being on board with the difference between what a Norvell, Tedford, Sumlin or similar guy would cost and Mario Brothers. Just won't do it.
Look genius. People say 'no' to USC all the time, and they have money too. Pete Carroll was, what, their 4th choice? The amount of $$ that it would take to get a guy like Meyer to drop OSU would be beyond staggering, and if it didn't work out, and it doesn't at least as often as it does, you're back to square one.
Arguing Norvell, Sumlin, Tedford, Harsin, etc. is one thing. Whatever that would have cost is a detail to PK. Arguing Saban, Meyer, or some other all-timer is something quite different. I don't think this game is as easy as it must seem to you from your recliner in Eagles Landing Phase IV. -
I'd say the odds of Jumbo even winning his division are low. Oklahoma promoted their coordinator and is closer than they've been to winning it all than they've been in a while. Stoops' prior gig was D coordinator at Florida. Jumbo was a career assistant/coordinator and won a title. Swinney was a career assistant/coordinator before getting the interim tag at Clempsun and a promotion. Whatever. None of this is to say that the Ducks got it right with Crystal. It is to say, I'm laffing at the idea that Knight isn't serious about winning a title and wanted to save a few mill. You can't make this stuff up. You have to come here and read it for yourself.YellowSnow said:
Look at Texas A&M - what's the likelihood Jimbo is going to deliver the results they are looking for at $7.5 million x 10 years? There's no lock that that guy is going to win a SEC title. Georgia went the coordinator route and is in the fucking playoff. Miami went the retread route and got damn near the playoff.creepycoug said:
Leave him alone. OBK is winning. He doesn't think coordinator and "assistant types" make good HCs; gotta go with the splash hire. Like the 4th of JueLie!YellowSnow said:
Those types of home run from the get go hires are pretty fucking rare no matter how much money the boosters can pony up. Think about the PAC in say the last 20 years. There have been two: Petersen to UW and Chip Kelly to UCLA. It's not about the money, rather the scarcity of those types of opportunities where all the stars align.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Might be a smart business man but he's a retard about the football program. You want a title, you pay for it -- big money -- to bring in a proven coach like Urban Meyer and make it happen. You don't roll the dice with assistants, pay chump change and expect results.YellowSnow said:Smart bidness men like Uncle Phil don't get rich by throwing money around where there's no probable ROI. Willie was nowhere nearing playing with house money yet.
Knight dropped a half a billion on a science complex just the other day, has thrown hundreds of millions at them on other stuff for the school, cares about sports a lot, but just can't see his way to being on board with the difference between what a Norvell, Tedford, Sumlin or similar guy would cost and Mario Brothers. Just won't do it.
Look genius. People say 'no' to USC all the time, and they have money too. Pete Carroll was, what, their 4th choice? The amount of $$ that it would take to get a guy like Meyer to drop OSU would be beyond staggering, and if it didn't work out, and it doesn't at least as often as it does, you're back to square one.
Arguing Norvell, Sumlin, Tedford, Harsin, etc. is one thing. Whatever that would have cost is a detail to PK. Arguing Saban, Meyer, or some other all-timer is something quite different. I don't think this game is as easy as it must seem to you from your recliner in Eagles Landing Phase IV.
