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  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017
    RedRocket said:

    Last I checked Mohammed was a human. You don't think Islamocucks are part of a wildly successful personality cult that's found a way to persist and expand for hundreds of years? A religion is an old cult or a cult is a new religion.
    JESUS CHRIST!
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited November 2017

    He had a bad conduct discharge which wouldn't have affected his ability to purchase a gun.

    He did have a domestic assault charge however, but that was erroneously left out of the database.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html
    This is broadly correct.

    Military courts don't have a felony/misdemeanor bright line distinction the way civilian courts do.

    The military uses a lot of the same stuff, but in a different way. In the civilian world, generally, offenses which could result in more than a year confinement are considered felonies. In the military system, the two most prevalent kinds of courts-martial are special courts-martial and general courts-martial.

    The main difference is that a special court-martial is jurisdictionally limited to 12 months or less confinement and a "bad-conduct discharge" rather than a "dishonorable" discharge.

    A sentence of more than 12 months and the DD can only be imposed by a general court-martial. The benefit to the Government for doing a special rather than a general is that at special court-martial the Government doesn't have to go through the ass-pain of an Article 32 investigative hearing (although Congress declawed Article 32 in the 2013 NDAA).

    Looks like the AF fucked up by not reporting the asshole's DV conviction to the NCIC.

    The Lautenberg Amendment makes it illegal for a person convicted of a misdemeanor or felony offense of domestic violence to purchase, own, or possess a firearm. Military servicemembers with qualifying Lautenberg convictions are subject to discharge based on this law.

    Each state makes its own determination as to whether they consider a court-martial conviction a felony for the purposes of their laws regarding felons (being allowed to vote, own/purchase/possess firearms etc.) Most go by the 12 months confinement rule to qualify as a felony offense. But in this case it wouldn't have mattered because Lautenberg.

    Also of interest is the animal cruelty charge in Colorado. But it looks like deferred adjudication so the charge would have dropped off.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,903 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    Grandfather was Wehrmacht, great uncle was an SS officer
    I apologize if my ancestors shot at your ancestors in WWII. My grandpappy did finish up 1945 in Austria before getting shipped back home.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,841 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    You didn't answer the question.
    Yes I did. Can you buy heroin? Still illegal.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You walked into that one Sled.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,274
    edited November 2017

    You walked into that one Sled.
    Sure as fuck did.

    Anyone with a brain would have seen it coming - but this is Sledog.

    And double fuck him for getting me to upvote a Hondo post.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    2001400ex said:

    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    2001400ex said:

    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    You just won that round.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dflea said:

    Sure as fuck did.

    Anyone with a brain would have seen it coming - but this is Sledog.

    And double fuck him for getting me to upvote a Hondo post.
    TYFYS
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,841 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Then why do you agree with the war on drugs? If everyone can just buy them anyway?
    Nothing of the sort. Illegal drugs are still widely available as laws don't always work do they? In this instance it was a failure of reporting that allowed this shit stain to buy a gun. if the Federal Government does not bother to put felons, domestic violence offenders, ( federal disqualifications from owning guns) in the criminal database, why should tens of thousands of Americans be asked to submit to background checks? This guy had issues and everyone that knew him was aware of his behavior.

    A good guy believed an AR 15, was the best thing to defend his family and his community, who are you to tell him he is wrong, and that he shouldn't own this type of firearm with this type of magazine? He showed up with his AR15 and shot the crazy or more people may have died. This is how life functions. There is a reason rich people hire armed security but they don't like the commoners to have the means to resist. The left is the big hypocrite in this regard.

    If a good guy with a gun can stop a crime ( it happens more than you think) or even a mass shooting, as is the case here, doesn't restricting the ownership of good guys with guns prevent, in some measure, people's ability to protect their family, and community? After all, as demonstrated here, Bad guys are going to have guns either way.

    The government cannot protect us. It's not possible. I take the responsibility to protect my family. It's an American tradition. HTH
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896
    edited November 2017

    Bull shit stretch
    But the Crusades!!!! POTD.

    So it's religions fault that Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc. abandoned God and killed Millions of people thereafter????


    'Ol yellow leg's putting those atrocities in Religion's column.

    That's bad logic at work there.


    And a bad use of the quote feature by myself.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Nothing of the sort. Illegal drugs are still widely available as laws don't always work do they? In this instance it was a failure of reporting that allowed this shit stain to buy a gun. if the Federal Government does not bother to put felons, domestic violence offenders, ( federal disqualifications from owning guns) in the criminal database, why should tens of thousands of Americans be asked to submit to background checks? This guy had issues and everyone that knew him was aware of his behavior.

    A good guy believed an AR 15, was the best thing to defend his family and his community, who are you to tell him he is wrong, and that he shouldn't own this type of firearm with this type of magazine? He showed up with his AR15 and shot the crazy or more people may have died. This is how life functions. There is a reason rich people hire armed security but they don't like the commoners to have the means to resist. The left is the big hypocrite in this regard.

    If a good guy with a gun can stop a crime ( it happens more than you think) or even a mass shooting, as is the case here, doesn't restricting the ownership of good guys with guns prevent, in some measure, people's ability to protect their family, and community? After all, as demonstrated here, Bad guys are going to have guns either way.

    The government cannot protect us. It's not possible. I take the responsibility to protect my family. It's an American tradition. HTH
    Where have I ever said to take one gun from one person? All I've said is better background checks. I've also said that, how they went around and bought some guns back in Australia would never work here.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,841 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Where have I ever said to take one gun from one person? All I've said is better background checks. I've also said that, how they went around and bought some guns back in Australia would never work here.
    This dirt bag passed a background check. Yes you and yours want them all constitutional rights be damned. Bad guys have always been able to get guns. IRA have any problem in the UK? That's a place where commoners were basically NEVER allowed weapons. But hey AK's and plastic explosives don't seem to be a problem. Suicides area common left retort but why do so many in Japan kill themselves without guns? Low crime societies are generally very homogeneous societies.

    So how about that evil NRA member with an AR15 stopping a mass shooting? How much has the MSM covered that?
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    better background checks
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,043

    I apologize if my ancestors shot at your ancestors in WWII. My grandpappy did finish up 1945 in Austria before getting shipped back home.
    My ancestors may have shot at each other, for all I know. One great uncle on my dad's side was 82nd Airborne, made a drop into Sicily, missed D-Day, did Market Garden where he was supposedly shot through the legs by a strafing Bf109. Great uncle on my mother's side was SS paratroop officer. Dunno what his war record was, but twenty years ago I did get my hands on some documents about his postwar incarceration. He wouldn't speak about any of it to us, though. No proof, but I suspect that he became a Cold War intel asset for us in Austria for the next forty years.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    BearsWiin said:

    My ancestors may have shot at each other, for all I know. One great uncle on my dad's side was 82nd Airborne, made a drop into Sicily, missed D-Day, did Market Garden where he was supposedly shot through the legs by a strafing Bf109. Great uncle on my mother's side was SS paratroop officer. Dunno what his war record was, but twenty years ago I did get my hands on some documents about his postwar incarceration. He wouldn't speak about any of it to us, though. No proof, but I suspect that he became a Cold War intel asset for us in Austria for the next forty years.
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  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,043
    AZDuck said:

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    Better than the rest of this shitshow of a thread, that's for sure
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072


    Shooter knew he was braking the law. Did it anyway.

    A System existed to effectively stop this man from buying guns anyway via legal sources.

    The failure of a Government input clerk stopped the system from triggering this criminal.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    If the Brady Bill wouldn't have expired the production of magazines over five rounds for rifles and ten rounds for handguns would have been the mainstay for almost 30 years now.

    Las Vegas doesn't happen, this shooting is less catastrophic, UCC is less deadly, etc.

    No human is lugging around 100 magazines to make an attack. Limiting the ease of mass killing is common sense and being much more proactive with background checks would slightly help. You can always steal guns and ammo.
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