Vegas terror attack
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You really don't have to go that far to find a firearms regulation regime that works much better than ours. Just look to Canada. They're most like us, rich and post-industrial, frontier mentality, etc. and they have extremely restrictive regulations on handguns, less so for long guns. Per capita firearm homicide rate 1/7 of the US. These high-profile sensational mass shootings get a lot of attention, but it's the mundane handgun shootings that pile up the homicide and injury stats. Concealability and portability mean that people can stick handguns under their shirts or in their door pockets and escalate otherwise low-level conflicts to lethal levels very quickly, or worry about the other guy doing the same. This is also what makes cops so jumpy when dealing with mundane things like traffic stops; you want to cut down on police shootings, get rid of handguns.YellowSnow said:If I had my druthers, we'd be closer to Great Britain- i.e., Shotguns and Hunting Rifles only - and to own any fireman, you have to have a doc certify that you aren't nuts. That said, this isn't realistic in the US, but the idealist in me would like to see something like a complete semi automatic rifle (maybe semi shot guns too) ban; and extremely intrusive regs on handgun ownership + limits on magazine capacity- i.e., if you want to own a piece you have to go through the ringer. Obviously with something like this you're talking about a massive buy back program. Moving on to illegally owned guns - significant jail time/fines if you break the rules. Alas, this is all a pipe dream so feel free to WTF all you want.
The gun control regimes that work best are none (e.g., Japan) or extremely restrictive (e.g., UK) BUT we could be doing a hell of a lot better than we are now. 10 rifles in a Las Vegas hotel room is not a well regulated militia guaranteeing our liberty.
Obviously this guy used long guns, which aren't used very often but are sensationalized when they are used. Magazine capacity restrictions might work, as cutting availability would likely keep many, but not all, from getting higher capacity magazines. There are still illegal means, and black markets, but one would have to be more seriously motivated than your average crank to go through those channels.
Every time one of these shootings occurs we hear a lot about mental health. We tend to think that somebody who does this kind of thing must be mentally ill or crazy, and that there must be signs beforehand that we can pick up on. I'm not so sure. Humans are naturally impulsive, and we tend to overreact when we get angry. Mix easily lethal firearms into the equation, and we get deadly crimes of passion from domestic disputes to traffic altercations. Again, most committed with handguns. Problem-solving through gunplay is also prevalent in popular culture, so we're operating in an environment where people may feel like gun use is an acceptable form of self-expression, whether impulsive or, as it seems in this instance, planned. (not blaming popular culture or society here, but that kind of thing does resonate with some who feel angry or aggrieved) -
yeah that barrel wouldn't melt at all with that rate of fireSledog said:Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.
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Wrong way. Guns go south, drugs go north.Sledog said:Watching the video the rate of fire sounds like about 5-600 RPM. That would match the AK. The M-16 is as high as 750 RPM. Could be any number of guns though. Possible it's a semi-auto with a crank trigger device or slide fire stock. Rate of fire seems to vary. Just watched another video with a pretty long string of fire. Pretty consistent. If this is an ISIS op, guy doesn't fit the profile, any kind of weapon would be possible. Guns are easy to get over the border.
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Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though. -
They are ridiculous fun. That said, i haven't shot mine in a couple years now.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though. -
Golf and ski bags could smuggle the long guns in quite nicely as well.GrundleStiltzkin said:
You could pack 6 into a suit-hanger bag, rather easily.dhdawg said:I'm gonna wait until we find out how these guns were acquired before I start that debate.
How the fuck was this guy able to transport 12 AR's into his hotel room in vegas? -
I get a kick out of seeing the militia types strutting around in their camo gear with ARs, as if resisting government oppression is like some fucking weekend paintball game.Woof said:Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though.
Back in 1992 I went up to a shooting expedition in the high desert with a bunch of well-armed guys (one who brought a homemade 3" cannon strapped broadside in the back of his stakebed truck). Shot somebody's AR while we were up there; very low recoil, kept on the target nicely. Much better than my SKS! Also went full-auto with a modified M1 carbine; several guys up there had filed down some piece in the receiver mechanism that allowed semi-auto to become full auto. If you know what you're doing, it seems easy to convert a lot of the semi-autos out there. -
They are a boatload of fun. Lightweight, very little recoil, and reasonably accurate, though IMO, if you're used to shooting bolt action hunting rifles, you will be a little disappointed with the latter. A decent bolt action .22-250 with a good scope is much more impressive in terms of power and accuracy. Or even better, a barrel eating .22 swift, the veritable varmint vaporizer.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though. -
Southerndawg said:
They are a boatload of fun. Lightweight, very little recoil, and reasonably accurate, though IMO, if you're used to shooting bolt action hunting rifles, you will be a little disappointed with the latter. A decent bolt action .22-250 with a good scope is much more impressive in terms of power and accuracy. Or even better, a barrel eating .22 swift, the veritable varmint vaporizer.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though.
I have a .22-250 and yes, it is perfect for eradicating gophers from the fields.Southerndawg said:
They are a boatload of fun. Lightweight, very little recoil, and reasonably accurate, though IMO, if you're used to shooting bolt action hunting rifles, you will be a little disappointed with the latter. A decent bolt action .22-250 with a good scope is much more impressive in terms of power and accuracy. Or even better, a barrel eating .22 swift, the veritable varmint vaporizer.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though. -
That's my favorite round. Makes me look like a better shot than I really am. Very flat trajectory, and great range for a small caliber round. Great for gophers and Coyotes.Woof said:Southerndawg said:
They are a boatload of fun. Lightweight, very little recoil, and reasonably accurate, though IMO, if you're used to shooting bolt action hunting rifles, you will be a little disappointed with the latter. A decent bolt action .22-250 with a good scope is much more impressive in terms of power and accuracy. Or even better, a barrel eating .22 swift, the veritable varmint vaporizer.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though.
I have a .22-250 and yes, it is perfect for eradicating gophers from the fields.Southerndawg said:
They are a boatload of fun. Lightweight, very little recoil, and reasonably accurate, though IMO, if you're used to shooting bolt action hunting rifles, you will be a little disappointed with the latter. A decent bolt action .22-250 with a good scope is much more impressive in terms of power and accuracy. Or even better, a barrel eating .22 swift, the veritable varmint vaporizer.Woof said:
Lifelong gun owner and hunter here.Tequilla said:
Because there would never be such a thing as a black marketAZDuck said:Who da fuck knows. Charles Whitman type? But wifey I'd a "person of interest."
Also, OBK, I like guns and am probably a better shot and know much more about them than you do.
Regulation to ensure public safety of a dangerous instrumentality =\= confiscation.
I'm fucking tired of mass murders happening every time some whack job gets it in his head to blow people away. It's fucking preventable terrorism.
This argument has never made a ton of sense to me. Yes, there would be a black market. However in places that don't have monthly horrific mass casualty shootings, they too have a black market for guns. So what's your point?
On a related note, >75% of the people I know that own ARs are giant pussies who think big cool guns will make their cocks get bigger. Most of them are barely above welfare and work minimum wage jobs because they barely graduated high school but somehow can afford a $1000 gun.
I do have a few buddies that have ARs and they swear they're a boatload of fun though.
