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A brief history of the only successful nation building exercises in US History
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The reason we put so much effort and money into Japan and Germany to this day is for the reasons you stated.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.YellowSnow said:
It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.
Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.
Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?
The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.
White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.
If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.
By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.
Bottom 15 -
36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
37 Missouri (white southerners)
38 Tennessee (ouch)
39 New Mexico (NOC)
40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
41 Montana (see Florida)
42 Kentucky (see Florida)
43 Maine (see Florida)
44 Arizona (see Florida)
45 Alabama (ouch)
46 South Carolina (ouch)
47 Arkansas (ouch)
48 West Virginia (ouch)
49 Idaho (see Florida)
50 Mississippi (ouch).
The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
We didn't want them to rebuild themselves. Because then they would start attacking countries again. -
If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).YellowSnow said:Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?
STAY!Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.YellowSnow said:
It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.
Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.
Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?
The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.
White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.
If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.
By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.
Bottom 15 -
36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
37 Missouri (white southerners)
38 Tennessee (ouch)
39 New Mexico (NOC)
40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
41 Montana (see Florida)
42 Kentucky (see Florida)
43 Maine (see Florida)
44 Arizona (see Florida)
45 Alabama (ouch)
46 South Carolina (ouch)
47 Arkansas (ouch)
48 West Virginia (ouch)
49 Idaho (see Florida)
50 Mississippi (ouch).
The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.
Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference): JAPAN.
(Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)
Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.
The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.
It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt. -
Why do you hate #1 North Dakota, #2 Alaska and #3 Wyoming?Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.YellowSnow said:
It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.
Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.
Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?
The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.
White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.
If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.
By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.
Bottom 15 -
36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
37 Missouri (white southerners)
38 Tennessee (ouch)
39 New Mexico (NOC)
40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
41 Montana (see Florida)
42 Kentucky (see Florida)
43 Maine (see Florida)
44 Arizona (see Florida)
45 Alabama (ouch)
46 South Carolina (ouch)
47 Arkansas (ouch)
48 West Virginia (ouch)
49 Idaho (see Florida)
50 Mississippi (ouch).
The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
Get sum Fossil Fuels + GOP Governance and then pop off fren.
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Completely agree. They weren't wasted efforts. Our best strategy with these fuckbag countries in the middle east is to give them aid, blow up Israel and shower them with affection. Our foreign policy these days is basically based on emotional bullshit.RaceBannon said:
The reason we put so much effort and money into Japan and Germany to this day is for the reasons you stated.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.YellowSnow said:
It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.
Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.
Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?
The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.
White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.
If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.
By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.
Bottom 15 -
36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
37 Missouri (white southerners)
38 Tennessee (ouch)
39 New Mexico (NOC)
40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
41 Montana (see Florida)
42 Kentucky (see Florida)
43 Maine (see Florida)
44 Arizona (see Florida)
45 Alabama (ouch)
46 South Carolina (ouch)
47 Arkansas (ouch)
48 West Virginia (ouch)
49 Idaho (see Florida)
50 Mississippi (ouch).
The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
We didn't want them to rebuild themselves. Because then they would start attacking countries again.
Realpolitik or fucking die. -
I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is
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Japan kicked the Catholics out in the late 1500's to early 1600's and for 250 only Protestant traders (Dutch) were allowed to visit Nagasaki. Then during the Restoration they modeled their Navy on Britain. Legal system was based more on German tradition I believe.Dennis_DeYoung said:
If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).YellowSnow said:Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?
STAY!Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.YellowSnow said:
It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.
Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.
Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?
The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.
White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.
If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.
By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.
Bottom 15 -
36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
37 Missouri (white southerners)
38 Tennessee (ouch)
39 New Mexico (NOC)
40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
41 Montana (see Florida)
42 Kentucky (see Florida)
43 Maine (see Florida)
44 Arizona (see Florida)
45 Alabama (ouch)
46 South Carolina (ouch)
47 Arkansas (ouch)
48 West Virginia (ouch)
49 Idaho (see Florida)
50 Mississippi (ouch).
The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.
Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.
(Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)
Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.
The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.
It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt. -
Funny thing is though, Japan and German's post war economies were both centered on making kick ass shit and selling it to other countries, and yet our GDP per capita (PPP) is still considerably higher than both. Jokes on you guys suckers! USA USA USA!!!
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Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU.Pitchfork51 said:I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is
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Dennis_DeYoung said:
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yeah but stillDennis_DeYoung said:Pitchfork51 said:I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is
Don'tblame yourself, you went toASUOSU.
@Dennis_DeYoung
also, as an actual duck of Portuguese and Spanish extraction
fuck off
