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A brief history of the only successful nation building exercises in US History
YellowSnow
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Total war or nothing. Limited war followed by nation building always sucks ass.
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My favorite story was from an old WWII general who explained in detail what we did to END terrorism in Nazi Germany once and for all. Simple, effective, absolute, brutal, worked.
We would encompass an area of town, set up checkpoints and leaflet the shit out of the area warning for surrender or die, with a time limit. Some followed good advice and escaped thru the checkpoints. We then flattened every single square inch of the zone with the exception of churches.
Some held women and children as shields. It was unfortunate for them their families chose to have them killed rather than be released to the American liberators. It didn't take long for the women, children and escaping soldiers to turn on the remaining terrorists. -
I rushed here to post thisSwaye said:Total war or nothing. Limited war followed by nation building always sucks ass.
The success had something in common. We leveled the country first
If we did that today our leaders would be war criminals
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Seriously, in our history, there's not been 1 nation building success story short of total war and a completely defeated enemy with no ability or will to carry on the fight. And in the instance of Japan and Germany we still to this day maintain large military installations on their soil, and neither is truly a sovereign state in terms of controlling their own foreign policy. In other words, there's still an occupation of sorts 72 years later.Swaye said:Total war or nothing. Limited war followed by nation building always sucks ass.
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I think we could leave Afghanistan and tell the Taliban that after they resume control they best not send anything our way or we'll detonate a nuke on the ground in Kabul and make it look like their bomb maker fucked up.
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We should have gone into Afghanistan with 50,000 to 100,000 troops and killed as many Taliban as we could and blown up as much shit as possible and then LEFT. Use drones and intelligence from there. We had no choice fight there in 2001 but getting a nation building W was never possible. Let Iran and Pakistan get bogged down in the mess after we broke it.RaceBannon said:I think we could leave Afghanistan and tell the Taliban that after they resume control they best not send anything our way or we'll detonate a nuke on the ground in Kabul and make it look like their bomb maker fucked up.
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Please elaborate.AZDuck said:
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It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...AZDuck said:
