Sweden got more socialist, economy now booming

AZDuck said:

salemcoog said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.

Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemic

Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.

Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%

Lets revisit this conversation next year, like when the bills start really rolling in.

And the whole spirit of the fucktard reporters rant is that we should be doing this. When the reality is that we already did this and have nothing to show for it other than another $8 Trillion in debt.

So we ignore the 70+ -year track record of success and bank on Sweden failing in the next year or two?

OK!

And America has never done anything close to what Sweden has in terms of health care, welfare, etc.

Sledog said:

For all you "socialism is great" fans just renounce your citizenship and I'll chip in some money for your ticket to whatever socialist paradise you wish to now live in. May I suggest Venezuela?

This is America we have no room for this bullshit or you!

No room for differences of opinion? Sounds like Venezuela or Russia are more your speed, fren.

There's nothing in the Constitution about social and economic policy, except "to promote the general welfare," which sounds kinda socialist-y.

salemcoog said:

allpurpleallgold said:

AZDuck said:

HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.

Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.

BOOM! Roasted.

Great! I'm sure this military superpower would fare just fine when attacked by anyone other than Norway.

But do continue to reinforce the strawman, And again, let's visit this again when their bills come due.

The point was, in reference to your earlier poast, that Sweden doesn't have to deal with foreign obligations like the US does. Yet they spend a similar amount of GDP on national defense. The Swedes also spend 1% of GDP on foreign aid versus .19% here in the USA. Now, .19% of USA GDP is a helluva lot more in actual terms than 1% of Sweden, but proportionally, the Swedes do spend a large chunk of their national product on foreign obligations.

AZDuck said:

salemcoog said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.

Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemic

Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.

Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%

Lets revisit this conversation next year, like when the bills start really rolling in.

And the whole spirit of the fucktard reporters rant is that we should be doing this. When the reality is that we already did this and have nothing to show for it other than another $8 Trillion in debt.

So we ignore the 70+ -year track record of success and bank on Sweden failing in the next year or two?

OK!

And America has never done anything close to what Sweden has in terms of health care, welfare, etc.

Sledog said:

For all you "socialism is great" fans just renounce your citizenship and I'll chip in some money for your ticket to whatever socialist paradise you wish to now live in. May I suggest Venezuela?

This is America we have no room for this bullshit or you!

No room for differences of opinion? Sounds like Venezuela or Russia are more your speed, fren.

There's nothing in the Constitution about social and economic policy, except "to promote the general welfare," which sounds kinda socialist-y.

salemcoog said:

allpurpleallgold said:

AZDuck said:

HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.

Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.

BOOM! Roasted.

Great! I'm sure this military superpower would fare just fine when attacked by anyone other than Norway.

But do continue to reinforce the strawman, And again, let's visit this again when their bills come due.

The point was, in reference to your earlier poast, that Sweden doesn't have to deal with foreign obligations like the US does. Yet they spend a similar amount of GDP on national defense. The Swedes also spend 1% of GDP on foreign aid versus .19% here in the USA. Now, .19% of USA GDP is a helluva lot more in actual terms than 1% of Sweden, but proportionally, the Swedes do spend a large chunk of their national product on foreign obligations.

salemcoog said:

AZDuck said:

salemcoog said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleJ said:

Yes it was poorer in the 1800s before a wave of economic reform and a long period of peace. Relatively low government spending coupled with liberal economic policies (i.e. free market capitalism) sparked a period of growth that continued until the mid 20th century when things eventually started to sour due to socialist policies enacted during the 1950s.

Except the Social Democrats controlled their parliament since 1890, but never let facts get in the way of a good polemic

Taxes were kept below 10% of GDP until the 30s and they didn't really start to increase until the 50s, but still.

Not the case. Most Swedish taxes are paid to localities. Maximum national income tax rate is 25%

Lets revisit this conversation next year, like when the bills start really rolling in.

And the whole spirit of the fucktard reporters rant is that we should be doing this. When the reality is that we already did this and have nothing to show for it other than another $8 Trillion in debt.

So we ignore the 70+ -year track record of success and bank on Sweden failing in the next year or two?

OK!

And America has never done anything close to what Sweden has in terms of health care, welfare, etc.

Sledog said:

For all you "socialism is great" fans just renounce your citizenship and I'll chip in some money for your ticket to whatever socialist paradise you wish to now live in. May I suggest Venezuela?

This is America we have no room for this bullshit or you!

No room for differences of opinion? Sounds like Venezuela or Russia are more your speed, fren.

There's nothing in the Constitution about social and economic policy, except "to promote the general welfare," which sounds kinda socialist-y.

salemcoog said:

allpurpleallgold said:

AZDuck said:

HI. Sweden, as a non-NATO member, spends much more than most European countries for defense and Swedish defense spending as a proportion of GDP has been comparable to America's for most of the past 50'years, and spending is also rising under the current government. Sweden also maintains a vigorous defense industry which produces most of the armaments purchased by the Swedish armed forces.

Stockholm is only 430 miles from St. Petersburg.

BOOM! Roasted.

Great! I'm sure this military superpower would fare just fine when attacked by anyone other than Norway.

But do continue to reinforce the strawman, And again, let's visit this again when their bills come due.

The point was, in reference to your earlier poast, that Sweden doesn't have to deal with foreign obligations like the US does. Yet they spend a similar amount of GDP on national defense. The Swedes also spend 1% of GDP on foreign aid versus .19% here in the USA. Now, .19% of USA GDP is a helluva lot more in actual terms than 1% of Sweden, but proportionally, the Swedes do spend a large chunk of their national product on foreign obligations.

Fuck you are a special case. These reforms were just set in motion LAST year. When they started to go full retard Socialist.

And why are you ignoring the Trillions of dollars given in our welfare state the last 8 years and their lack of results in raising GDP and living wage jobs.

You are ignoring it because but, but, but Sweden!!!!!!!!!