The Epic Battle between Bear Bryant and Don James

Mosster47 said:

TheHB said:

Mosster47 said:

MisterEm said:

@Mosster47, amateur coach, Bearcat alum and quook fan.....has turned @Salemcoog salty.

What gives?

No salt. You just don't compare absolute legends to someone that was good regionally.

Ask a 20 year old college fan who Bear Bryant is and they will know it without thinking. Ask the same person who Don James is and they won't have a clue.

He was a very good coach for the Pac, but college football doesn't care about the Pac. Only one program has truly ever been relevant nationally from it.

Any college fan who doesn't know who Don James was is not a college fan.

Bullshit. Mike Bellotti made the Hall of Fame, so there goes DJ's argument.

No college football fan under the age of 30 outside of the PNW knows who Don James is. If you don't make it past the generation you coached in you weren't a legend, period. You have to do memorable shit to be remembered. A hand full of conference titles when USC was the only opponent and a paper trophy doesn't cut it.

True. I had never heard of him before I stumbled into this cesspool

When old white men ruled the world...

Don James showed great leadership blaming himself for the loss and poor kicking game

Spurrier did the same thing when his Gators lost: "It's my fault, I didn't coach them up very well"

As opposed to Vols @$$clown Butch Jones saying Tennessee was "Champions Of Life" after losing to Vanderbilt...and other times Jones blames team's execution for losses - fans notice he never steps up and takes responsibility

Don James was obviously a great coach - are we really having this conversation ?

tenndawg said:

When old white men ruled the world...

Shit ain't changed faggo

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

YellowSnow said:

Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?

#IJImmyForJohnson

RaceBannon said:

If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.

Let us know which it is please

In the Creeps' case -it is definitely abundance with a side of just plain stupid fucktardedness.

HTH

YellowSnow said:

Creep likes to forget that once upon a time Don James was chucking TDs and setting school records for the Canes.

I took a dump a few minutes ago that remembers more Cane trivia than you'll ever find on the google.

Two very immutable facts in life: you don't funk with the Creep at the 7-11 on Aurora near the U District, and you don't go mano a mano with the Creep on fun Cane facts and figures.

You would do well to learn those facts.

RaceBannon said:

If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.

Let us know which it is please

Know who he was? Yeah. I also knew who Terry Donahue was.

The original poont was whether Donnie Personality should be discussed in the same convo as the Bear. On the merits, it's a stretch, but Don James was one hell of a coach. On the "household name" point, it's not even close.

YellowSnow said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

YellowSnow said:

Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?

Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.

Couple of things and then I gotta go:

1. Erickson was handed the keys to a tuned up Lamborghini. He expanded on that success marginally by implementing the spread offense, which resulted in more TDs than the traditional pro set Miami ran. He left the D, constructed entirely by Johnson, the fuck alone. That was the smartest thing he ever did. But his impact would soon be felt. After riding on Johnson's back for a bit, his penchant for lack of discipline, players coach crap routine, did Miami in. Dennis was a very good coach but he had a short shelf life at any program. He always wears out his welcome, and there is always a predictable result. For a more recent example of the difference between Jimmy and Dennis, see Vontaze Burfict. Marvelously talented maniac. Dennis could not contain him at ASU. Jimmy would have easily controlled that kid into a sure-fire first rounder. That sums up the difference.

2. There are myriad of things that put Jimmy Johnson over the other two. His ability to spot talent knows no equal, and he absolutely revolutionized the way defense is played, at least in college. He has been imitated by a lot of coaches. He doesn't get his due because of his brash personality, but JJ was the real deal.

If you stop and think about what he did with that Minnesota trade, and if you go down the list of defensive players he recruited and developed, you'll get a sense for my man-crush.

tenndawg said:

YellowSnow said:

Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

Very well thought out and artfully crafted - delete immediately and insert a photo of a fat person in pajamas smoking through their neck hole...

I was in Pennsylvania and have a vague recollection of Sonny Sixkiller, who was pre-James, and remember Warren Moon who did play for James

Technology, internet, youtube and ESPN covering so many games definitely makes it easier to follow today - but most kids I'm aware of aren't that interested, they would rather be "gamers" or use social media than follow sports

My generation is a bunch o fags.

whlinder said:

Why is Paterno disqualified? He's the answer.

@RhythmycSoundingSlappingDawg!! True??

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

YellowSnow said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

YellowSnow said:

Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?

Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros?

Johnson was good enough to go to the pros and win. The others weren't.

Not just win in the pros but take a 1-15 dying franchise and completely rebuild them into a dynasty, all in the blink of an eye.