The Epic Battle between Bear Bryant and Don James
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True. I had never heard of him before I stumbled into this cesspoolMosster47 said:
Bullshit. Mike Bellotti made the Hall of Fame, so there goes DJ's argument.TheHB said:
Any college fan who doesn't know who Don James was is not a college fan.Mosster47 said:
No salt. You just don't compare absolute legends to someone that was good regionally.MisterEm said:@Mosster47, amateur coach, Bearcat alum and quook fan.....has turned @Salemcoog salty.
What gives?
Ask a 20 year old college fan who Bear Bryant is and they will know it without thinking. Ask the same person who Don James is and they won't have a clue.
He was a very good coach for the Pac, but college football doesn't care about the Pac. Only one program has truly ever been relevant nationally from it.
No college football fan under the age of 30 outside of the PNW knows who Don James is. If you don't make it past the generation you coached in you weren't a legend, period. You have to do memorable shit to be remembered. A hand full of conference titles when USC was the only opponent and a paper trophy doesn't cut it. -
Grew up in Big Ten country in the mid 90s-early 2000s never heard of him until I moved to Seattle.Pitchfork51 said:
True. I had never heard of him before I stumbled into this cesspoolMosster47 said:
Bullshit. Mike Bellotti made the Hall of Fame, so there goes DJ's argument.TheHB said:
Any college fan who doesn't know who Don James was is not a college fan.Mosster47 said:
No salt. You just don't compare absolute legends to someone that was good regionally.MisterEm said:@Mosster47, amateur coach, Bearcat alum and quook fan.....has turned @Salemcoog salty.
What gives?
Ask a 20 year old college fan who Bear Bryant is and they will know it without thinking. Ask the same person who Don James is and they won't have a clue.
He was a very good coach for the Pac, but college football doesn't care about the Pac. Only one program has truly ever been relevant nationally from it.
No college football fan under the age of 30 outside of the PNW knows who Don James is. If you don't make it past the generation you coached in you weren't a legend, period. You have to do memorable shit to be remembered. A hand full of conference titles when USC was the only opponent and a paper trophy doesn't cut it.
I remember watching an Apple Cup with two ranked teams on tv in the early 2000s- I had no conception even of which program was which. -
When old white men ruled the world...
Don James showed great leadership blaming himself for the loss and poor kicking game
Spurrier did the same thing when his Gators lost: "It's my fault, I didn't coach them up very well"
As opposed to Vols @$$clown Butch Jones saying Tennessee was "Champions Of Life" after losing to Vanderbilt...and other times Jones blames team's execution for losses - fans notice he never steps up and takes responsibility
Don James was obviously a great coach - are we really having this conversation ?
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Creep likes to forget that once upon a time Don James was chucking TDs and setting school records for the Canes.
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Shit ain't changed faggotenndawg said:When old white men ruled the world...
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I know that, and it's El Faggio with a French / Italian accentPitchfork51 said:
Shit ain't changed faggotenndawg said:When old white men ruled the world...
Now I see why the flaming rusty devil's fork needs to be crammed into your discipline hole... -
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
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Very well thought out and artfully crafted - delete immediately and insert a photo of a fat person in pajamas smoking through their neck hole...YellowSnow said:Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
I was in Pennsylvania and have a vague recollection of Sonny Sixkiller, who was pre-James, and remember Warren Moon who did play for James
Technology, internet, youtube and ESPN covering so many games definitely makes it easier to follow today - but most kids I'm aware of aren't that interested, they would rather be "gamers" or use social media than follow sports
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If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.
Let us know which it is please -
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?YellowSnow said:Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
Paterno -Disqualified
Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
Holtz - Fuck no
Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
