Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros?
Johnson was good enough to go to the pros and win. The others weren't.
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
He would have had the same tag too - never there long enough
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.
Creep likes to forget that once upon a time Don James was chucking TDs and setting school records for the Canes.
I took a dump a few minutes ago that remembers more Cane trivia than you'll ever find on the google.
Two very immutable facts in life: you don't funk with the Creep at the 7-11 on Aurora near the U District, and you don't go mano a mano with the Creep on fun Cane facts and figures.
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Thank you. Jimmy wins another five if he stays ... easily.
Didn't Bowden have FSU in the top 5 for some insane number of years ... something like 12, 13 or 14 years in a row? Couple titles, a few inches from a couple more.
I'd say Boobuh belongs in the same convo with Don James, particularly considering it was a non-program when he arrived. Washington had won before James got here. Boobah broke ground in Trailerhassee. Hard to argue otherwise.
If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.
Let us know which it is please
Know who he was? Yeah. I also knew who Terry Donahue was.
The original poont was whether Donnie Personality should be discussed in the same convo as the Bear. On the merits, it's a stretch, but Don James was one hell of a coach. On the "household name" point, it's not even close.
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.
Couple of things and then I gotta go:
1. Erickson was handed the keys to a tuned up Lamborghini. He expanded on that success marginally by implementing the spread offense, which resulted in more TDs than the traditional pro set Miami ran. He left the D, constructed entirely by Johnson, the fuck alone. That was the smartest thing he ever did. But his impact would soon be felt. After riding on Johnson's back for a bit, his penchant for lack of discipline, players coach crap routine, did Miami in. Dennis was a very good coach but he had a short shelf life at any program. He always wears out his welcome, and there is always a predictable result. For a more recent example of the difference between Jimmy and Dennis, see Vontaze Burfict. Marvelously talented maniac. Dennis could not contain him at ASU. Jimmy would have easily controlled that kid into a sure-fire first rounder. That sums up the difference.
2. There are myriad of things that put Jimmy Johnson over the other two. His ability to spot talent knows no equal, and he absolutely revolutionized the way defense is played, at least in college. He has been imitated by a lot of coaches. He doesn't get his due because of his brash personality, but JJ was the real deal.
If you stop and think about what he did with that Minnesota trade, and if you go down the list of defensive players he recruited and developed, you'll get a sense for my man-crush.
Creep likes to forget that once upon a time Don James was chucking TDs and setting school records for the Canes.
I took a dump a few minutes ago that remembers more Cane trivia than you'll ever find on the google.
Two very immutable facts in life: you don't funk with the Creep at the 7-11 on Aurora near the U District, and you don't go mano a mano with the Creep on fun Cane facts and figures.
You would do well to learn those facts.
Don't get your panties (that you pulled down to take said shit) in a bind. I knew that Don James trivia prior to the advent of Google, but all kidding aside I wouldn't pretend that I could go mano a mano with you on all things Cane related. Mano a mano at 7-11 is a different story...
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Thank you. Jimmy wins another five if he stays ... easily.
Didn't Bowden have FSU in the top 5 for some insane number of years ... something like 12, 13 or 14 years in a row? Couple titles, a few inches from a couple more.
I'd say Boobuh belongs in the same convo with Don James, particularly considering it was a non-program when he arrived. Washington had won before James got here. Boobah broke ground in Trailerhassee. Hard to argue otherwise.
I say this as not the biggest FSU fan either.
I think in the list of all time great coaches, you gotta put Bowden higher than James based on the entirety of his career. Same for Osborne too. But those guys didn't secure their legacies respectively until James quit. Who knows how the 90's would have turned out for DJ w/o sanctions and not resigning. Maybe he gets another shot at a title, and maybe the rest of the Pac starts figuring out Lambo's D and we see a fall off.
What's your take on the guys I listed who won titles at the non blue blood schools?
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
Very well thought out and artfully crafted - delete immediately and insert a photo of a fat person in pajamas smoking through their neck hole...
I was in Pennsylvania and have a vague recollection of Sonny Sixkiller, who was pre-James, and remember Warren Moon who did play for James
Technology, internet, youtube and ESPN covering so many games definitely makes it easier to follow today - but most kids I'm aware of aren't that interested, they would rather be "gamers" or use social media than follow sports
creep's just happy that he found a way to wedge the Canes into a conversation now that nobody is talking about the U. Apparently people would rather discuss the important teams that make the CFP.
Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?
Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ. Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange. Paterno -Disqualified Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough Holtz - Fuck no Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power. Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet. Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.
Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.
I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.
How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros?
Johnson was good enough to go to the pros and win. The others weren't.
Not just win in the pros but take a 1-15 dying franchise and completely rebuild them into a dynasty, all in the blink of an eye.
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"lazy and don't give a fuck" is chinworthy
Two very immutable facts in life: you don't funk with the Creep at the 7-11 on Aurora near the U District, and you don't go mano a mano with the Creep on fun Cane facts and figures.
You would do well to learn those facts.
Didn't Bowden have FSU in the top 5 for some insane number of years ... something like 12, 13 or 14 years in a row? Couple titles, a few inches from a couple more.
I'd say Boobuh belongs in the same convo with Don James, particularly considering it was a non-program when he arrived. Washington had won before James got here. Boobah broke ground in Trailerhassee. Hard to argue otherwise.
I say this as not the biggest FSU fan either.
The original poont was whether Donnie Personality should be discussed in the same convo as the Bear. On the merits, it's a stretch, but Don James was one hell of a coach. On the "household name" point, it's not even close.
How are those two dummies of yours going to get around the SAT? You know there's no more affirmative action at UW, so that's not going to work now.
1. Erickson was handed the keys to a tuned up Lamborghini. He expanded on that success marginally by implementing the spread offense, which resulted in more TDs than the traditional pro set Miami ran. He left the D, constructed entirely by Johnson, the fuck alone. That was the smartest thing he ever did. But his impact would soon be felt. After riding on Johnson's back for a bit, his penchant for lack of discipline, players coach crap routine, did Miami in. Dennis was a very good coach but he had a short shelf life at any program. He always wears out his welcome, and there is always a predictable result. For a more recent example of the difference between Jimmy and Dennis, see Vontaze Burfict. Marvelously talented maniac. Dennis could not contain him at ASU. Jimmy would have easily controlled that kid into a sure-fire first rounder. That sums up the difference.
2. There are myriad of things that put Jimmy Johnson over the other two. His ability to spot talent knows no equal, and he absolutely revolutionized the way defense is played, at least in college. He has been imitated by a lot of coaches. He doesn't get his due because of his brash personality, but JJ was the real deal.
If you stop and think about what he did with that Minnesota trade, and if you go down the list of defensive players he recruited and developed, you'll get a sense for my man-crush.
What's your take on the guys I listed who won titles at the non blue blood schools?
*faggoty wink