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The Epic Battle between Bear Bryant and Don James

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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    #IJImmyForJohnson
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    edited April 2017
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    YellowSnow said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros?
    Johnson was good enough to go to the pros and win. The others weren't.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,918 Founders Club
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    He would have had the same tag too - never there long enough
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  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,450
    RaceBannon said:

    If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.

    Let us know which it is please

    In the Creeps' case -it is definitely abundance with a side of just plain stupid fucktardedness.

    HTH


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  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    YellowSnow said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    Laziness I suppose. Are you saying Johnson over the other 2 based on having won big in both college and the pros? Schnellenberger came to mind because he got it going at Miami and Erickson because he's enjoyed success a multiple college programs.
    Upvoted for laziness

    "lazy and don't give a fuck" is chinworthy
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,359
    YellowSnow said:

    Creep likes to forget that once upon a time Don James was chucking TDs and setting school records for the Canes.

    I took a dump a few minutes ago that remembers more Cane trivia than you'll ever find on the google.

    Two very immutable facts in life: you don't funk with the Creep at the 7-11 on Aurora near the U District, and you don't go mano a mano with the Creep on fun Cane facts and figures.

    You would do well to learn those facts.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,359
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Who would have been considered a greater coach than James during his '75- '92 tenure?

    Bryant - GOAT but only overlapped with the early days of DJ.
    Switzer - Had 3 NT's but DJ beat him in the Orange.
    Paterno -Disqualified
    Schnellenberger - Wasn't around long enough
    Holtz - Fuck no
    Erickson - Never was in one place long enough; wasn't the one who built Miami into a national power.
    Bowden - Hadn't won a NT yet.
    Osborne - See above and DJ owned him.

    Of the guys that won NT's at non traditional blue bloods- e.g., Bobby Ross, Danny Ford, Edwards, McCartney - Don James had greater long term success than any of these guys.

    I'm not going to argue that he was the best coach of his era in CFB, but top 3-4 certainly sounds about right to me. Regarding perception of him outside of the PAC, I wonder how much technology of the age had to do with this. In this day and age, think about much easier it is for the average sports fan and/or member of the national media to have a sense of what it going on in college football outside of their own region. Hell, ESPN Game Day didn't even make it to a regular season game west of Colorado until 1998.

    How the fuck did you list two Miami coaches and not include the best one?
    Thank you. Jimmy wins another five if he stays ... easily.

    Didn't Bowden have FSU in the top 5 for some insane number of years ... something like 12, 13 or 14 years in a row? Couple titles, a few inches from a couple more.

    I'd say Boobuh belongs in the same convo with Don James, particularly considering it was a non-program when he arrived. Washington had won before James got here. Boobah broke ground in Trailerhassee. Hard to argue otherwise.

    I say this as not the biggest FSU fan either.

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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,359
    RaceBannon said:

    If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.

    Let us know which it is please

    Know who he was? Yeah. I also knew who Terry Donahue was.

    The original poont was whether Donnie Personality should be discussed in the same convo as the Bear. On the merits, it's a stretch, but Don James was one hell of a coach. On the "household name" point, it's not even close.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,359
    edited April 2017
    EwaDawg said:

    RaceBannon said:

    If you aren't a millennial and grew up watching football in the 80's you know Don James or your a faggot.

    Let us know which it is please

    In the Creeps' case -it is definitely abundance with a side of just plain stupid fucktardedness.

    HTH


    Sometimes I think you've established the outter limits of your stupidity. Then you show up and prove me wrong.

    How are those two dummies of yours going to get around the SAT? You know there's no more affirmative action at UW, so that's not going to work now.
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