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One thing I learned from the Sopranos is that sociopaths love the History ChannelYellowSnow said:
Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit. -
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
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Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Was on a work trip after college once in GA and went and saw the Little White House in Warm Spring where he passed away in April '45.BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.salemcoog said:
Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
DeepSeaZ said:
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.salemcoog said:
Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
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That's a pretty solid reason.BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
You're probably expecting me to say Bob McNamara, but I gotta go with Gregory PeckYellowSnow said:
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
