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I'll give you gold star for either. McNamara is the more important figure in history, whereas Peck is more well known to most Americans. Other than a recent NY Times Best Seller, our crew's history doesn't have much in the way of star power, so win for the Bears here.BearsWiin said:
You're probably expecting me to say Bob McNamara, but I gotta go with Gregory PeckYellowSnow said:
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
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Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
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Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler -
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS. -
Agree on Wilson.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
FDR established the Entitlement Era though. He should be dinged for that. -
People forget Zhukov kicked the shit out of the Japs before Stalin brought him in to kick the shit out of the Wehrmacht in the gold medal round at Kursk.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
People forget the flank master. -
Someone had to break the seal on the socialism thing; it was inevitable. Why not a rich guy cripple to break the bad news to his friends?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Agree on Wilson.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
FDR established the Entitlement Era though. He should be dinged for that. -
YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
The PNW should give thanks to FDR daily. Without him, this area is half New Mexico and half Maine.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
And the Boys in the Boat have no summer jobs and would've dropped out of school. But instead built dams and fucked hookers in Coulee City. -
Stalin was a master of buying time with space and blood, until he could get the right guys in there.PurpleThrobber said:
People forget Zhukov kicked the shit out of the Japs before Stalin brought him in to kick the shit out of the Wehrmacht in the gold medal round at Kursk.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
People forget the flank master.
