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FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
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BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Aids. Close the gates Derek.
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Who's the ugly guy in the middle wearing a yellow dress?TierbsHsotBoobs said:RaceBannon said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I don't trust Democrats.RaceBannon said:
His first act was to make the Civil Service jobs in DC whites only. And he was in the progressive party.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
But how was Woodrow Wilson a bad President?YellowSnow said:
US coming in on allied side in 1915 would have been more than Central Powers could have handled. War ends in 1916 probably with a negotiated peace settlement. Germany has to make some concessions, but nothing like the humiliation at Versailles, so no Hitler. Russia is part of victorious allied coalition and therefore no Bolshevik Revolution.dnc said:
how so?YellowSnow said:
Brit's plan certainly failed though; took us another 2 years to declare war on the krauts and another 1 after that before we had enough boots on the ground to alter the outcome. The world likely would be a different place had we come in earlier in 1915.RaceBannon said:Historians now think that the Brits did not send an escort for the Lusitania in the hopes that the Krauts would sink it and piss us? off so we would enter the Great War.
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
The Gulf of Tonkin did not happen, but LBJ wanted war.
Bush Knew!
Obama played golf
So, given all that, would you rather your President golfed or faked attacks so we go to war?
Democrats. What are you gonna do
Just look at Trump.
Or @RaceBannon.
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Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
People also forget the Japanese kicked their chinebriated asses in 1905 too.Intersectional_Dawg said:
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
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Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit.
