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FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
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BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Aids. Close the gates Derek.
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Who's the ugly guy in the middle wearing a yellow dress?TierbsHsotBoobs said:RaceBannon said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I don't trust Democrats.RaceBannon said:
His first act was to make the Civil Service jobs in DC whites only. And he was in the progressive party.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
But how was Woodrow Wilson a bad President?YellowSnow said:
US coming in on allied side in 1915 would have been more than Central Powers could have handled. War ends in 1916 probably with a negotiated peace settlement. Germany has to make some concessions, but nothing like the humiliation at Versailles, so no Hitler. Russia is part of victorious allied coalition and therefore no Bolshevik Revolution.dnc said:
how so?YellowSnow said:
Brit's plan certainly failed though; took us another 2 years to declare war on the krauts and another 1 after that before we had enough boots on the ground to alter the outcome. The world likely would be a different place had we come in earlier in 1915.RaceBannon said:Historians now think that the Brits did not send an escort for the Lusitania in the hopes that the Krauts would sink it and piss us? off so we would enter the Great War.
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
The Gulf of Tonkin did not happen, but LBJ wanted war.
Bush Knew!
Obama played golf
So, given all that, would you rather your President golfed or faked attacks so we go to war?
Democrats. What are you gonna do
Just look at Trump.
Or @RaceBannon.
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Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
People also forget the Japanese kicked their chinebriated asses in 1905 too.Intersectional_Dawg said:
People forget that when America was dragging its heels getting into Western Europe, the Soviets were dragging their heels getting into the fight against the Japanese in Asia. People forget this.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
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Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit. -
One thing I learned from the Sopranos is that sociopaths love the History ChannelYellowSnow said:
Also important to note how shallow Pearl Harbor is. Conventional wisdom at the time was that torpedoes dropped from airplanes at such shallow depths wouldn't work, but we all know now how sneaky the Japanese were, and they figured out a solution.BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
Since I first joined this shithole last Oct. I've been pleased to see how many well read history nerds we have here. Good chit. -
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Was on a work trip after college once in GA and went and saw the Little White House in Warm Spring where he passed away in April '45.BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.salemcoog said:
Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
DeepSeaZ said:
You know, in DC he's probably a 6. He didn't stand. Out.salemcoog said:
Was he anything special?DeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
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That's a pretty solid reason.BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
You're probably expecting me to say Bob McNamara, but I gotta go with Gregory PeckYellowSnow said:
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
I'll give you gold star for either. McNamara is the more important figure in history, whereas Peck is more well known to most Americans. Other than a recent NY Times Best Seller, our crew's history doesn't have much in the way of star power, so win for the Bears here.BearsWiin said:
You're probably expecting me to say Bob McNamara, but I gotta go with Gregory PeckYellowSnow said:
@BearsWiin speaking of 20th century US History, who would you say is the most famous of all Cal Rowing Alumni?BearsWiin said:
Wednesday was the anniversary of his death in 1945. Back in the day when weSCare was fun to visit there was this one JapAm poaster, troyboyLA I think, who absolutely despised FDR solely on the basis of EO9066, conveniently forgetting everything else the guy did in his 12+ years as President. Every April 12 I'd remind him of FDR's death, ask him if he had any celebrations planned, and we'd get into it all over again. Good timesDeepSeaZ said:
I worked with FDR once...BearsWiin said:BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they found Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. -
Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
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Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
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Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler -
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS. -
Agree on Wilson.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
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People forget Zhukov kicked the shit out of the Japs before Stalin brought him in to kick the shit out of the Wehrmacht in the gold medal round at Kursk.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
People forget the flank master. -
Someone had to break the seal on the socialism thing; it was inevitable. Why not a rich guy cripple to break the bad news to his friends?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Agree on Wilson.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
FDR established the Entitlement Era though. He should be dinged for that. -
YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
The PNW should give thanks to FDR daily. Without him, this area is half New Mexico and half Maine.YellowSnow said:
Fear not, the D's will soon disown Wilson and FDR like they did Jefferson and Jackson. Tump is not Hitler, he's Jackson (or so the popular narrative goes).RaceBannon said:
Not to mention Americans who were opposed to the war or who didn't ration and ended up in jail.YellowSnow said:
Only 2,048 German Americans were actually interned in WWI vs 110,000 Japanese American in WWII. But still.RaceBannon said:Another thing Wilson did was internment camps before FDR made them cool
But Wilson and FDR were good guys with a D next to their name. Trump is Hitler
All kidding aside, Wilson was a POS POTUS; FDR, while not successful in all of his policies, still deserves to be considered a great POTUS.
And the Boys in the Boat have no summer jobs and would've dropped out of school. But instead built dams and fucked hookers in Coulee City. -
Stalin was a master of buying time with space and blood, until he could get the right guys in there.PurpleThrobber said:
People forget Zhukov kicked the shit out of the Japs before Stalin brought him in to kick the shit out of the Wehrmacht in the gold medal round at Kursk.BearsWiin said:
Yeah, at a time when they weren't getting their shit pushed in by the WehrmachtIntersectional_Dawg said:
Good thing the Soviets hammered the Japanese in eastern Siberia in 1939.BearsWiin said:
FDR's oil embargo on Japan, "mistakenly" enacted by Acheson while FDR was meeting with Churchill to discuss the Atlantic Charter, was meant to protect the USSR from Japan. The possibility that they would strike south (and against US forces in the Philippines) was a calculated risk, but at the very least they could not strike north like they had in 1939. FDR knew we* needed the USSR to do the heavy lifting on the continent, so they had to survive. That the Japanese attacked us* wasn't necessarily a surprise, but that they attacked Pearl Harbor was definitely a surprise.RaceBannon said:
FDR let Pearl Harbor happen.
People forget the flank master.
