Looking Like Recruiting Class is 100% Gone ...
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Fleens is like a broken clock ... right 2x a dayTommySQC said:
That's what Fleens saidTequilla said:
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
I'm not even saying that we'll be brutally bad as an indictment on Hopkins ... it just is what it is. It's the fact that the UW allowed Romar to build up the Romar brand (particularly in the local community) and not the UW brand that he represented.
If everything was done right, you'd have had the local hoops community sending their players outside of the area as Romar's slide became obvious to anybody with a basketball pulse. Instead, the local community embraced Romar even more when most would run.
The Seattle hoops community that has influence right now is generally clueless ... I'm not talking about the guys that have NBA experience that know what's up. You'll never hear any of those guys say anything bad about Romar because they don't want to say anything bad about the man. But in honest moments, they'll tell you that his coaching results particularly the last few years couldn't save him. They know it is a results oriented business. If they didn't feel that way, there's no chance Will Conroy would have stayed on staff. But the idiots that think elite ball is played at Green Lake or in the Seattle Semi Pro League don't have a fucking clue. They epitomize the "Disease of Me" and their attitude seen through their play is fucking terrible.
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He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff. -
In fairness though, football and basketball recruiting are completely different animals.
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Last time I saw Cam, I don't think he's running around in a scrimmage
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I agree. If Hopkins is the guy for the foreseeable future the culture change will be evident next season. I think he embraces that blue collar attitude which has been the anthesis of Romar coached teams the last half decade. It's taking pride in playing defense, hitting free throws, making the extra pass, holding each other accountable, doing the the little things to help your team. That's all cliche shit but it's true. We know we'll be at a disadvantage talent wise but that doesn't mean they can't play good team basketball. Romar got fired because he teams played unenthusiastic basketball, night in and night out. He put them in that position. It felt like it was a chore for them and they deserved only 9 wins. If the guys out there now are buying into Hopkins it will be evident on the court.haie said:
Basketball is about 5 fucking players. Culture change should take 1 year. Fuck that noise.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling -
Everything you said was true ...pat_hm said:
I agree. If Hopkins is the guy for the foreseeable future the culture change will be evident next season. I think he embraces that blue collar attitude which has been the anthesis of Romar coached teams the last half decade. It's taking pride in playing defense, hitting free throws, making the extra pass, holding each other accountable, doing the the little things to help your team. That's all cliche shit but it's true. We know we'll be at a disadvantage talent wise but that doesn't mean they can't play good team basketball. Romar got fired because he teams played unenthusiastic basketball, night in and night out. He put them in that position. It felt like it was a chore for them and they deserved only 9 wins. If the guys out there now are buying into Hopkins it will be evident on the court.haie said:
Basketball is about 5 fucking players. Culture change should take 1 year. Fuck that noise.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling
The problem is that from an athletic standpoint we may be so far behind the balance of the conference that it has a chance to get ugly depending on how we fill out the roster ...
It is total LIPO at this point until we see what's left going into next year ... but thinking that next year could be fairly ugly despite changing the culture isn't that far fetched. -
We should strive to be better than Utah but Larry K took over a disasterious program. Year one sucked, year two was a little better, year 3 made the NIT, year 4 and 5, he won games in the NCAA tournament.
I'm not going to freak out because two somewhat good Seattle guards aren't staying to play for Hop.
What does need to happen by April, is Hop finding a couple diamonds in the rough and/or recruits back on the market after coaching changes. Roberto Gittens from Foss could be one of those guys. -
I don't what happened to my last post but I'm glad I drunkenly deleted it because that was a poor bet
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The Budda example doesn't quite hold up in this context. Sark had a horrible reputation with the local football programs and never took the time to build those relationships. His instate recruiting largely suffered due to his preference for So Cal programs. Budda 's initial commitment to Oregon was a reflection of that and a direct rejection of Sark. Petersen is Petersen, was hired in December and Budda signed in February. The rest is history.ThomasFremont said:
He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff.
However, when you look at Romar in the Seattle basketball community, he's the complete opposite of what Sark was in the football world in Western Washington. Romar is GOD to these local kids. Despite all of his coaching inadequacies that we routinely point out, he's a good dude and the kids love him. Nowell and Davis had already signed their NLI's. They've known Romar since Middle School. They ATTACHED themselves to the idea of playing for Coach Romar. I doubt they even knew who Mike Hopkins was until last week. Thus, when he was fired of course they were disappointed and decided UW was no longer the right place for them. I'm sure Will tried to convince them but it wasn't enough. No doubt that talent wise losing them is a failure. But impact wise I doubt either would make a Budda level contribution to the basketball program. Bringing in guys that want to be here is the only way to build your culture and create an identity as a program.
In the long run it will pay off and who knows, he might fill these departed slots with players that exceed our expectations. Washington is a place you can recruit to across the country. Seattle has got the reputation and more eyes are looking to the Pacific Northwest now with Oregon and Gonzaga playing so well. My expectations are high for the program and Hopkins deserves more than a week to be judged on his ability to right the ship. -
Excuses excuses.
Win or GTFO, as always.
Other than the fact that we are stuck with him, what makes you all so sure he has a culture that is worth sacrificing 3 seasons for? And why do you want to make him do it without any good players to coach?
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I don't know fuck all about him or his culture. All I know is he's the coach. So he'll either win or he wont. Either way I'll hate him until he doesn't suck or he gets fired
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Because the alternative was keeping Romar.
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This I agree with 100%.ThomasFremont said:
He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff.
I still think in the end he keeps at least one of the Garfield kids. If he doesn't, or doesn't get someone equivalent talent, that's certainly discouraging. -
2016-2017 Oregon State basketball bad? I think they won 5 games total.Tequilla said:
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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Depending on the roster and what remains very possible.greenblood said:
2016-2017 Oregon State basketball bad? I think they won 5 games total.Tequilla said:
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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If Hopkins isn't FS, he knows there are two basketball recruiting seasons-- one where you lure in freshman and one where you lure in transfers. Five decent grad transfers will win you guys more games in 2018 than Porter Jr would've.Tequilla said:
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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dnc said:
This I agree with 100%.ThomasFremont said:
He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff.
I still think in the end he keeps at least one of the Garfield kids. If he doesn't, or doesn't get someone equivalent talent, that's certainly discouraging.
Now is the time for Ernie Kent go Kendall Briles and pull out the hottest of the hot sororitutes in Pullberg. There's not much you can say about that place vs. Gonzaga but dem tittays are way, way better in Whitman County than Spokane County.ThomasFremont said:
Maybe Hop is a great recruiter (because everyone says so!), but his inability to close even one of the Garfield guys says it's just as likely he's not.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling
In fact, he should just ride dem tittays to a complete roster makeover.
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Diarra and Nowell gone
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2017 prospect Mamoudou Diarra, 6-9 forward from Mali, asks @UW_MBB for release and re-opens commitment, per AAU coach.
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That's basically the entire class
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Teq, has Hopkins contacted you to walk on yet? I'm sure he knows about your IMA prowess by now.
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Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
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I'll take $1.8M per.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
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Everything will be OK. Dominican Green has announced he will turn down his opportunities at PLU and Western and will instead stay at UW
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This is how you know the program is a total dreckfest. Hop is allowing Green to stay because there aren't other options at this point.bananasnblondes said:Everything will be OK. Dominican Green has announced he will turn down his opportunities at PLU and Western and will instead stay at UW
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PurpleThrobber said:dnc said:
This I agree with 100%.ThomasFremont said:
He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff.
I still think in the end he keeps at least one of the Garfield kids. If he doesn't, or doesn't get someone equivalent talent, that's certainly discouraging.
Now is the time for Ernie Kent go Kendall Briles and pull out the hottest of the hot sororitutes in Pullberg. There's not much you can say about that place vs. Gonzaga but dem tittays are way, way better in Whitman County than Spokane County.ThomasFremont said:
Maybe Hop is a great recruiter (because everyone says so!), but his inability to close even one of the Garfield guys says it's just as likely he's not.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling
In fact, he should just ride dem tittays to a complete roster makeover.
Two of Ernie's assistants were asked to sell their couch today. Dem Tittays recruiting is on.PurpleThrobber said:dnc said:
This I agree with 100%.ThomasFremont said:
He's not a failure, but not keeping any of that talent is a failure. Stop trying to spin that as anything but. It won't determine his success here, but it will delay it.pat_hm said:In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
Petersen got Baker to stay home. And he managed to make it work with players that had been coached by Sark the retard. Not every guy that plays for a bad coach is a cancer that can't adapt and be successful under the new system.
At this rate, Hopkins will be holding open tryouts at the IMA so he has enough guys to run a scrimmage. Maybe that's why he hired Dollar and Conroy to his staff.
I still think in the end he keeps at least one of the Garfield kids. If he doesn't, or doesn't get someone equivalent talent, that's certainly discouraging.
Now is the time for Ernie Kent go Kendall Briles and pull out the hottest of the hot sororitutes in Pullberg. There's not much you can say about that place vs. Gonzaga but dem tittays are way, way better in Whitman County than Spokane County.ThomasFremont said:
Maybe Hop is a great recruiter (because everyone says so!), but his inability to close even one of the Garfield guys says it's just as likely he's not.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling
In fact, he should just ride dem tittays to a complete roster makeover.
Ernie, toss in a couple shots of tequila and those sororitutes will close. OLE, hombre!
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There were other options, but he failed to close any of them.RoadDawg55 said:
This is how you know the program is a total dreckfest. Hop is allowing Green to stay because there aren't other options at this point.bananasnblondes said:Everything will be OK. Dominican Green has announced he will turn down his opportunities at PLU and Western and will instead stay at UW
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I'll be the first to admit that I never had the athletic ability to be a D1 P5 caliber of player ... my ceiling I got all broke right would have been D2 or D3 ... maybe real low D1DeepSeaZ said:Teq, has Hopkins contacted you to walk on yet? I'm sure he knows about your IMA prowess by now.
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NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
and don't forget, ZERO expectations to be remotely competitive for years. Great gigUWhuskytskeet said:
I'll take $1.8M per.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
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Because failing at your first head coaching gig always leads to a second head coaching job?doogie said:NeGgaPlEaSe said:Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
and don't forget, ZERO expectations to be remotely competitive for years. Great gigUWhuskytskeet said:
I'll take $1.8M per.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Man I wouldn't want to be Hop
