Looking Like Recruiting Class is 100% Gone ...
Looks like the Seattle hoops community is flexing its muscle and protesting the Romar firing by giving Hopkins absolutely no chance out of the gate ...
Also an example of what happens when you let someone stay in a position too long and poison the waters ...
Also an example that things are going to be a challenge at least in the short term ...
Even more kudos IMO to Cohen for making this call knowing that regardless of when she pulled the plug on Romar that it was going to be ugly so might as well start it immediately and get the pain started ...
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You'd think a good man like Romar would have stepped up and tried to help the university that has done so much for him.
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Davis will go to Gonzaga Nowell to Oregon
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Publicly Romar and his supporters are putting out that line ...allpurpleallgold said:You'd think a good man like Romar would have stepped up and tried to help the university that has done so much for him.
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Should've just folded the program.
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If Dollar and Conroy are worth a shit, they will recruit these guys hard to stay and rebuild
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The "Seattle hoops community" can go fuck themselves.Tequilla said:If a leading Scout recruiting analyst (Josh Gershon) is to be believed from what I've heard through the grapevine ... both Davis and Nowell are out ...
Looks like the Seattle hoops community is flexing its muscle and protesting the Romar firing by giving Hopkins absolutely no chance out of the gate ...
Also an example of what happens when you let someone stay in a position too long and poison the waters ...
Also an example that things are going to be a challenge at least in the short term ...
Even more kudos IMO to Cohen for making this call knowing that regardless of when she pulled the plug on Romar that it was going to be ugly so might as well start it immediately and get the pain started ...
Gonzaga is 20 minutes away from the Final Four and they have exactly one player from the state of Washington on the roster - and the only reason he's on the squad is his dad was Tommy Lloyd's high school coach.
Go find fucking good to great players. There's a whole world to recruit. The Seattle AAU people can come back and beg for access later.
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I just want some more tears from @206Hoops
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I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
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Maybe they need to get bitch slapped that UW is no longer the safe fall-back school at their beck and call.ThomasFremont said:I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
SAD.
Lots of schools win without access to local talent. Sean Elliott is about the only 'great' I've ever heard come out of Tucson.
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Top talent is top talent, local or not.PurpleThrobber said:
Maybe they need to get bitch slapped that UW is no longer the safe fall-back school at their beck and call.ThomasFremont said:I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
SAD.
Lots of schools win without access to local talent. Sean Elliott is about the only 'great' I've ever heard come out of Tucson.
The fact that they are local should make the sales job that much easier, especially for an alleged great recruiter.
If he pulls talent from the other side of the country or some foreigner, fine. But he just lost 2 top guys from our back yard. Unless he has a replacement lined up, this is a fail. -
Davis sucks ... so that's not a huge loss imo if he leaves ...
I'd prefer to have Nowell in the program than not ... but he's far from irreplaceable -
There are dozens of 6'3", 6'4" shooting guards in this country. There are hundreds in Serbia or the Ukraine. LIFPO.ThomasFremont said:
Top talent is top talent, local or not.PurpleThrobber said:
Maybe they need to get bitch slapped that UW is no longer the safe fall-back school at their beck and call.ThomasFremont said:I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
SAD.
Lots of schools win without access to local talent. Sean Elliott is about the only 'great' I've ever heard come out of Tucson.
The fact that they are local should make the sales job that much easier, especially for an alleged great recruiter.
If he pulls talent from the other side of the country or some foreigner, fine. But he just lost 2 top guys from our back yard. Unless he has a replacement lined up, this is a fail.
UW lost Trier and Cunnliffe too before that. Big deal. -
Losing the best local players is a good thing. Got it.Tequilla said:Davis sucks ... so that's not a huge loss imo if he leaves ...
I'd prefer to have Nowell in the program than not ... but he's far from irreplaceable -
Trier didn't go to HS in Seattle, and Cunliffe is a faggot.PurpleThrobber said:
There are dozens of 6'3", 6'4" shooting guards in this country. There are hundreds in Serbia or the Ukraine. LIFPO.ThomasFremont said:
Top talent is top talent, local or not.PurpleThrobber said:
Maybe they need to get bitch slapped that UW is no longer the safe fall-back school at their beck and call.ThomasFremont said:I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
SAD.
Lots of schools win without access to local talent. Sean Elliott is about the only 'great' I've ever heard come out of Tucson.
The fact that they are local should make the sales job that much easier, especially for an alleged great recruiter.
If he pulls talent from the other side of the country or some foreigner, fine. But he just lost 2 top guys from our back yard. Unless he has a replacement lined up, this is a fail.
UW lost Trier and Cunnliffe too before that. Big deal.
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Never said that ... just saying that if they don't want to be here then whatever ...
At this point way more important that any recruit that joins buys in than anything else ...
The culture change needs to happen before anything else -
Cunliffe is a headcase. Agreed.ThomasFremont said:
Trier didn't go to HS in Seattle, and Cunliffe is a faggot.PurpleThrobber said:
There are dozens of 6'3", 6'4" shooting guards in this country. There are hundreds in Serbia or the Ukraine. LIFPO.ThomasFremont said:
Top talent is top talent, local or not.PurpleThrobber said:
Maybe they need to get bitch slapped that UW is no longer the safe fall-back school at their beck and call.ThomasFremont said:I thought Hopkins was a great recruiter? Can't even convince the local guys to stay.
SAD.
Lots of schools win without access to local talent. Sean Elliott is about the only 'great' I've ever heard come out of Tucson.
The fact that they are local should make the sales job that much easier, especially for an alleged great recruiter.
If he pulls talent from the other side of the country or some foreigner, fine. But he just lost 2 top guys from our back yard. Unless he has a replacement lined up, this is a fail.
UW lost Trier and Cunnliffe too before that. Big deal.
What else you got?
Losing Davis is not a big deal. There are dozens like him.
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So you're saying WDWTA?Tequilla said:Davis sucks ... so that's not a huge loss imo if he leaves ...
I'd prefer to have Nowell in the program than not ... but he's far from irreplaceable -
I'm shocked that people are shocked that kids would want to leave after the coach who got them there was fired.
Newsflash: those kids don't give a fuck about washington. So fuck them. Get some guys in there who are committed to the school, not some loser head coach who loses to yale. -
I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling -
There's that doog talk again.phineas said:I'm shocked that people are shocked that kids would want to leave after the coach who got them there was fired.
Newsflash: those kids don't give a fuck about washington. So fuck them. Get some guys in there who are committed to the school, not some loser head coach who loses to yale. -
Basketball is about 5 fucking players. Culture change should take 1 year. Fuck that noise.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling -
Until the last few days, I expected every recruit to bolt. That's what normally happens.
This year gets a pass. Hopkins need a great class next year followed by another. By year 3 we will have an idea of what we have. -
ExactlyRoadDawg55 said:Until the last few days, I expected every recruit to bolt. That's what normally happens.
This year gets a pass. Hopkins need a great class next year followed by another. By year 3 we will have an idea of what we have.
And that's why the Dollar hire concerns me ... if he came into my living room I'd look at his Seattle U record and conclude that he sucks ass -
Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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I'd suggest you try lurking for a while. Get a feel for the boards. Or head on back to dawgman.Intersectional_Dawg said:
There's that doog talk again.phineas said:I'm shocked that people are shocked that kids would want to leave after the coach who got them there was fired.
Newsflash: those kids don't give a fuck about washington. So fuck them. Get some guys in there who are committed to the school, not some loser head coach who loses to yale. -
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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That's what Fleens saidTequilla said:
Next year's team could be as bad of a PAC12 team as ever seen ... we are talking 80's early 90's Oregon St football badCuntWaffle said:Hopkins will still win more conference games with whatever pile of scraps he comes up with than what ever the fuck Romars sorry ass would have done with his elite class.
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Altman met this same thing. All the current players bolted and the recruits went elsewhere.Tequilla said:Never said that ... just saying that if they don't want to be here then whatever ...
At this point way more important that any recruit that joins buys in than anything else ...
The culture change needs to happen before anything else
He got a couple kids, took some transfers, recruited more kids, ran off some serious talent that he signed because they wouldn't buy in, and now they are rolling.
With Seattle's talent pool UW could be good in a hurry. Lute Olson used to make a living off of Portland and Seattle talent. -
Maybe Hop is a great recruiter (because everyone says so!), but his inability to close even one of the Garfield guys says it's just as likely he's not.Tequilla said:I'm not saying WDWTA
What I'm saying is that if we learned anything from the Sark to Pete transition it is that a culture change can take up to 2 full seasons ... we were slightly helped here in that there were a number of our top players that bought in pretty quickly because they saw Sark for what he was ...
The problem with Romar is that so many think that he walked in water (insanely stupid) ... so I am not losing sleep by anybody leaving or not wanting to show up because they don't want to buy in ...
We will have short-term problems next year from a depleted roster and TBD challenges from recruiting locally ... we may have some opportunities in having a large recruiting class in 2018 and/or 2019 full of people that buy into what we are selling -
In an ideal transition you would be able to keep your high end commits and then build up from there. I don't know how often this happens during coaching changes but I would guess most of the time the parties part ways. That's seems like the most logical scenario given the relationships that have been built so getting upset about kids who are still in high school at this junction makes little sense to me.
I think deeming Hop a failure for not keeping two guys who 1) he has known for less than a week and 2) held a clear allegiance to Romar NOT the University of Washington is alarmist. UW is not a college basketball brand. Romar was the brand.
This is about a culture change. A rebranding of Washington basketball. It's about more than Davis and Nowell. The bandaid needed to pulled off and if that means missing out on a few guys that haven't even played a minute in college so be it. Honestly these kids who worship Romar don't fit the new mold for Mike Hopkins program and news flash: the world of basketball existes outside of Seattle.
