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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    Not to mention a wall wouldn't even stop many of the people who do come here illegally.

    Combine that with the net migration out and the fact that 40% overstay their visas it's an absolutely stupid idea
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    Not to mention a wall wouldn't even stop many of the people who do come here illegally.

    Combine that with the net migration out and the fact that 40% overstay their visas it's an absolutely stupid idea
    The cost to build the wall is far less than the annual burden on taxpayers to support illegal immigration. Speculating that building a wall will not stop illegals is just, speculation.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    Not to mention a wall wouldn't even stop many of the people who do come here illegally.

    Combine that with the net migration out and the fact that 40% overstay their visas it's an absolutely stupid idea
    The cost to build the wall is far less than the annual burden on taxpayers to support illegal immigration. Speculating that building a wall will not stop illegals is just, speculation.
    Speculating that it will is just speculation
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You read a study by FAIR? What other methods are there? Dude61 sounds really smart -- lots of education and skills. Can't wait to hear more.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    dhdawg said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    Not to mention a wall wouldn't even stop many of the people who do come here illegally.

    Combine that with the net migration out and the fact that 40% overstay their visas it's an absolutely stupid idea
    The cost to build the wall is far less than the annual burden on taxpayers to support illegal immigration. Speculating that building a wall will not stop illegals is just, speculation.
    Speculating that it will is just speculation
    We have real life examples that a wall will work. Consider the wall Israel built.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    My post concerned the cost to taxpayers, not the number of people entering or exiting the country. If you have a study showing that tax revenue the US receives from illegal immigration exceeding the cost, I would consider that.
    If only there had been studies about the net public cost to taxpayers from illegal immigration!! Why didn't I think of that? The rest of you troomps could learn a thing or two from Dude61.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    @CirrhosisDawg: Could you be more insecure? It reeks, man. Give it a rest.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    @CirrhosisDawg: Could you be more insecure? It reeks, man. Give it a rest.

    Very good point. You sound as smart as Dude61.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dhdawg said:

    Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

    Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

    FWIW I think this may get overturned
    I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.
    You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

    So a wall is a solution without a problem.
    Not to mention a wall wouldn't even stop many of the people who do come here illegally.

    Combine that with the net migration out and the fact that 40% overstay their visas it's an absolutely stupid idea
    The cost to build the wall is far less than the annual burden on taxpayers to support illegal immigration. Speculating that building a wall will not stop illegals is just, speculation.
    Speculating that it will is just speculation
    We have real life examples that a wall will work. Consider the wall Israel built.
    Israel walled out the Palestinian vermin and magically the bus bombings stopped. It works. Open orders is as fucktarded as not having a lock on your door. Any dumpster muffin who wants to can wander off the street, steal your things, two hole your wife or kill your ass. It's just common sense.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
    In 2013 the cost of public assistance for illegals was about $6.5 billion. Are you saying that number is 0 now?

    Obama did deport more illegals than any other president.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    I wonder what Putin would do if a bunch of faggots protested his right to enact and enforce immigration policy.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
    In 2013 the cost of public assistance for illegals was about $6.5 billion. Are you saying that number is 0 now?

    Obama did deport more illegals than any other president.
    Komo4 buttfucker.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
    In 2013 the cost of public assistance for illegals was about $6.5 billion. Are you saying that number is 0 now?

    Obama did deport more illegals than any other president.
    Komo4 buttfucker.
    Lol, i figured you had nothing to back your claim.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
    In 2013 the cost of public assistance for illegals was about $6.5 billion. Are you saying that number is 0 now?

    Obama did deport more illegals than any other president.
    Komo4 buttfucker.
    Lol, i figured you had nothing to back your claim.
    Listen up idiots! @Dude61 is dialed in. No anchor babies. No taxpayer subsidy. Makes sense...
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I wonder what Putin would do if a bunch of faggots protested his right to enact and enforce immigration policy.

    Because trump's USA and Putin's russia are the same thing. Astute observation, I must say. Who says you are a fucking moron?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    2001400ex said:

    Dude61 said:

    dnc said:

    I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

    It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

    Other options:

    Repeal the anchor baby law.

    Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

    Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

    Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

    Less Humanitarian option:

    Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
    You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

    It's almost like you don't understand reality.
    In 2013 the cost of public assistance for illegals was about $6.5 billion. Are you saying that number is 0 now?

    Obama did deport more illegals than any other president.
    Komo4 buttfucker.
    Lol, i figured you had nothing to back your claim.
    Maybe you should lurk around here for a while. PM @IrishDawg22 he has this place dialed in.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Illegals help keep social security and medicare by paying into a system that they will receive nothing from.
    Pretending like they are just pparasites draining the system is lol
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    @61blowjobs:

    Since I'm a nice guy, I'll provide you some education so you don't look more like a dumbfuck.

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    The president has the authority to decide immigration policy. Case closed. End of story. Go home to your Berkeley communes and fuck your hairy hippy wives.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    The president has the authority to decide immigration policy. Case closed. End of story. Go home to your Berkeley communes and fuck your hairy hippy wives.

    Because in putins russia none of this bullshit goes on!!11! Amirite?!
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited February 2017

    The president has the authority to decide immigration policy. Case closed. End of story. Go home to your Berkeley communes and fuck your hairy hippy wives.

    Because in putins russia none of this bullshit goes on!!11! Amirite?!
    Die
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390


    The president has the authority to decide immigration policy. Case closed. End of story. Go home to your Berkeley communes and fuck your hairy hippy wives.

    Because in putins russia none of this bullshit goes on!!11! Amirite?!
    Die
    I know you are looking for work. Amazon and all. I was going to say you should pm me your resume but with this kind of response I will kindly ask you to go fuck yourself.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited February 2017

    He's my neighbor.

    Wait...he's the guy whose fence you jumped after getting caught fucking his daughter?!?!

    Wow.

    Ballsy. Kudos.
    He looks like the type of guy who if you fucked his daughter against her will he would apologize for her being dressed too provocatively. A Moslem fag.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter

    @CirrhosisDawg: Could you be more insecure? It reeks, man. Give it a rest.

    Very good point. You sound as smart as Dude61.
    It continues...
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    This thread delivers.
  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    edited February 2017
    Report From Tennessee Walmart:

    Fat white people in those store supplied wheelchairs, usually dressed in NASCAR pajamas...

    Hondurans and Mexicans with lots of kids using food stamp cards...and not a MILF in the bunch, stumpy and frumpy

    And of course their indigent asses need state supplied translators in court - and every other migrating culture has learned English, except for those speaking Spanish

    El Comprendez this bitcheZ-- no taco in el jailo
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    I say let them stay but send their kids back to Mexico with no assistance.

    Then they can leave if they want or let the kids starve in the desert.