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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited November 2016
    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a Biblical term I realize that's why you godless heathens attack marriage. Leftist asshats can't redefine our language and traditions just because they want to.

    Just waiting for you to support bigamy and people marrying animals or inanimate objects.

    We don't base law around sky wizards. HTH.
    We base the word marriage on it and the definition. Your two dads can call it anything but marriage. And why would people that don't believe in religion want to be labeled by it?
    Christians didn't invent marriage you stupid fucking prole.
    Religion has defined marriage. It's always been between a man and a woman. Maybe you can show me where sausage sword fighters or rug munchery.com were "married" prior to the current silliness.
    You said it was a Biblical term. Now you're saying "religion"...which is it, dumbass?
    Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous (Hebrews 13:4)."
    The Bible says lying is a sin. Should it be illegal?

    The Bible says coveting is a sin. Should people go to jail if they think "man I wish I had their house" (or football coach, or hot TBS recruit, or whatever).

    The Bible says gossip is a sin. Should we? lock up every lady at the hair salon?

    I believe in the Bible. I support the Bible. I do my best to live by the Bible (but fail on a pretty regular basis). I am interested in exactly when you are going to start pushing for laws to ban all these other sins.

    Or better yet, when you're going to realize that grace > law is basically the entire premise of the New Testament.
    All sins are equal as well.
    That's sort of true but the correct answer is actually abundance. All sins are equal spiritually in that all sin separates one from God. All sins are not equal in this life in that not all sin has an equal affect on others nor equal consequence.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    I wish this thread got aborted.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Herr Trump loves the gays and the unborn.

    short abortion clinics in red states, long abortion clinics in blue states.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
    We know how it turned out. Republicans voted to end slavery. Democrats voted to keep it but lost. The Democrats started a war to keep it but lost when the republicans kicked their ass.

    That's why blacks were predominantly republicans until the 60's when democrats started to buy their vote with "The Great Society" using our tax dollars. They have divided and destroyed black families and our society and racial harmony in the process.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
    We know how it turned out. Republicans voted to end slavery. Democrats voted to keep it but lost. The Democrats started a war to keep it but lost when the republicans kicked their ass.

    That's why blacks were predominantly republicans until the 60's when democrats started to buy their vote with "The Great Society" using our tax dollars. They have divided and destroyed black families and our society and racial harmony in the process.
    You know that the 2 parties have changed ideologically over the last 150+ years, right?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2016
    I call bullshit.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    I call bullshit.

    You can't call bullshit on the truth. That's called denial.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter
    So just prior to the civil war the southern slave owning democrats all moved north while all the northern republicans all moved south and into the plantations and slave ownership and seceded from the union and started the civil war.

    Makes perfect sense.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    So just prior to the civil war the southern slave owning democrats all moved north while all the northern republicans all moved south and into the plantations and slave ownership and seceded from the union and started the civil war.

    Makes perfect sense.

    No.

    But the Democrats nominated and elected the first black president.

    150 years ago, they wouldn't even consider him a person, just property.

    And now the "enlightened" South is solidly Republican territory.

    See how things change???
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter
    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.
  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    Sledog said:

    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.

    Someone tell this dumb motherfucker to google Nixon's Southern Strategy.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.

    Someone tell this dumb motherfucker to google Nixon's Southern Strategy.
    One dumb mother fucker to another who gives a shit about Nixon.
  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    edited November 2016
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.

    Someone tell this dumb motherfucker to google Nixon's Southern Strategy.
    One dumb mother fucker to another who gives a shit about Nixon.
    Someone who understands politics are continuous. Look buddy, ever since the Dems passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 the party has NEVER received a majority of the white vote in a Presidential election because of racial politics. Goldwater was the pioneer of the southern strategy, and lost. Nixon took it and ran with it to consecutive electoral successes. The black vote has been loyal to Democrats ever since. There's your history lesson.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,774 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.

    Someone tell this dumb motherfucker to google Nixon's Southern Strategy.
    One dumb mother fucker to another who gives a shit about Nixon.
    Someone who understands politics are continuous. Look buddy, ever since the Dems passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 the party has NEVER received a majority of the white vote in a Presidential election because of racial politics. Goldwater was the pioneer of the southern strategy, and lost. Nixon took it and ran with it to consecutive electoral successes. The black vote has been loyal to Democrats ever since. There's your history lesson.
    Well Buddy do you think they don't vote that way since the Great Society and it's attendant handouts are such a monumental spending program? Has nothing to do with race IMHO. I don't give a damn what color you are if you are a worthless member of society and whether you live on the south side of Chicago or the Appalachian's. 15 Trillion in spending since that time has done nothing but create an entire dependent class. They are the new slaves, indentured voters voting for higher payout. That's why they're democrats.

    We have better things to spend money on than lazy people slopping up free shit at the public trough. Government assistance was not intended to be long term let alone generational support. It is now used to buy votes via free shit.

    That's the reason.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    People have always migrated between parties and there were other parties as well such as the Whigs etc. But the myth that the parties switched entire platforms is a myth.

    Just chattel to the dems of today.

    Someone tell this dumb motherfucker to google Nixon's Southern Strategy.
    One dumb mother fucker to another who gives a shit about Nixon.
    Someone who understands politics are continuous. Look buddy, ever since the Dems passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 the party has NEVER received a majority of the white vote in a Presidential election because of racial politics. Goldwater was the pioneer of the southern strategy, and lost. Nixon took it and ran with it to consecutive electoral successes. The black vote has been loyal to Democrats ever since. There's your history lesson.
    Well Buddy do you think they don't vote that way since the Great Society and it's attendant handouts are such a monumental spending program? Has nothing to do with race IMHO. I don't give a damn what color you are if you are a worthless member of society and whether you live on the south side of Chicago or the Appalachian's. 15 Trillion in spending since that time has done nothing but create an entire dependent class. They are the new slaves, indentured voters voting for higher payout. That's why they're democrats.

    We have better things to spend money on than lazy people slopping up free shit at the public trough. Government assistance was not intended to be long term let alone generational support. It is now used to buy votes via free shit.

    That's the reason.
    Out of like $4 trillion each year in spending. Maybe $300 billion goes to entitlements.

    And we've gone over political views of those welfare recipients.

    But still.