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Same sex marriage is settled, abortion isn't

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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    This is a good thing.

    One of the underlying reasons I supported Trump was that I knew him being elected would bring certain issues to the forefront. Specifically abortion and the separation of church and state.

    For too long democrats have acted like Roe v Wade could never be overturned. Ignoring that republicans have been chipping away at it for years. Now we get to have the discussion. No more bullshit moves like shutting down Planned Parenthoods by making up bullshit building codes. Their moves will be more open and obvious now. And for the record, I'm totally fine with abortion being illegal. The problem for the pro life side is not that they're wrong, it's that they suck at arguing.

    And for too long it's been left to the "fringe" "whacko" atheists to defend the separation of church and state. I mean those nutters always fighting to keep prayer out schools, all they do is fight these bullshit cases, just let people be. Well, you're going to find out why fighting for the inches is so important. The religious right isn't coming for the pledge of allegiance, that is not their end game. So, when your kid turns up from school with a science book that has a chapter about finding a watch on beach and you know the watch was designed so obviously the universe was hopefully you'll realize that is what atheists have been fighting.

    These issues now take center stage. I think it's hilarious that the left is so worried about Trump. Trump isn't the boogey man, he's not coming to get you. But the right, controlling everything, they are coming.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,638
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    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    Without government, we'd have chaos. True free market is bullshit and will tank the country. True socialism is bullshit will tank the country. America is the greatest country in the world because we've found a balance between free market/free thinking/ability to grow and government regulation/clean environment/nice place to live.

    HTH
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    and just what would you know about success or winning?
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,638
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    2001400ex said:

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    Without government, we'd have chaos. True free market is bullshit and will tank the country. True socialism is bullshit will tank the country. America is the greatest country in the world because we've found a balance between free market/free thinking/ability to grow and government regulation/clean environment/nice place to live.

    HTH
    Why is this a reply to my post? Its a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    Without government, we'd have chaos. True free market is bullshit and will tank the country. True socialism is bullshit will tank the country. America is the greatest country in the world because we've found a balance between free market/free thinking/ability to grow and government regulation/clean environment/nice place to live.

    HTH
    Why is this a reply to my post? Its a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything
    Read for comprehension. You stated you want government out of everything.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    doogie said:

    and just what would you know about success or winning?

    My life.





    Other than my time in this cesspool.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,638
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    Without government, we'd have chaos. True free market is bullshit and will tank the country. True socialism is bullshit will tank the country. America is the greatest country in the world because we've found a balance between free market/free thinking/ability to grow and government regulation/clean environment/nice place to live.

    HTH
    Why is this a reply to my post? Its a load of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything
    Read for comprehension. You stated you want government out of everything.
    No I didn't
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a Biblical term I realize that's why you godless heathens attack marriage. Leftist asshats can't redefine our language and traditions just because they want to.

    Just waiting for you to support bigamy and people marrying animals or inanimate objects.

    We don't base law around sky wizards. HTH.
    We base the word marriage on it and the definition. Your two dads can call it anything but marriage. And why would people that don't believe in religion want to be labeled by it?
    Christians didn't invent marriage you stupid fucking prole.
    Religion has defined marriage. It's always been between a man and a woman. Maybe you can show me where sausage sword fighters or rug munchery.com were "married" prior to the current silliness.
    You said it was a Biblical term. Now you're saying "religion"...which is it, dumbass?
    Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous (Hebrews 13:4)."
    The Bible says lying is a sin. Should it be illegal?

    The Bible says coveting is a sin. Should people go to jail if they think "man I wish I had their house" (or football coach, or hot TBS recruit, or whatever).

    The Bible says gossip is a sin. Should we? lock up every lady at the hair salon?

    I believe in the Bible. I support the Bible. I do my best to live by the Bible (but fail on a pretty regular basis). I am interested in exactly when you are going to start pushing for laws to ban all these other sins.

    Or better yet, when you're going to realize that grace > law is basically the entire premise of the New Testament.
    All sins are equal as well.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    edited November 2016
    2001400ex said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a Biblical term I realize that's why you godless heathens attack marriage. Leftist asshats can't redefine our language and traditions just because they want to.

    Just waiting for you to support bigamy and people marrying animals or inanimate objects.

    We don't base law around sky wizards. HTH.
    We base the word marriage on it and the definition. Your two dads can call it anything but marriage. And why would people that don't believe in religion want to be labeled by it?
    Christians didn't invent marriage you stupid fucking prole.
    Religion has defined marriage. It's always been between a man and a woman. Maybe you can show me where sausage sword fighters or rug munchery.com were "married" prior to the current silliness.
    You said it was a Biblical term. Now you're saying "religion"...which is it, dumbass?
    Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous (Hebrews 13:4)."
    The Bible says lying is a sin. Should it be illegal?

    The Bible says coveting is a sin. Should people go to jail if they think "man I wish I had their house" (or football coach, or hot TBS recruit, or whatever).

    The Bible says gossip is a sin. Should we? lock up every lady at the hair salon?

    I believe in the Bible. I support the Bible. I do my best to live by the Bible (but fail on a pretty regular basis). I am interested in exactly when you are going to start pushing for laws to ban all these other sins.

    Or better yet, when you're going to realize that grace > law is basically the entire premise of the New Testament.
    All sins are equal as well.
    That's sort of true but the correct answer is actually abundance. All sins are equal spiritually in that all sin separates one from God. All sins are not equal in this life in that not all sin has an equal affect on others nor equal consequence.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,145
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    I wish this thread got aborted.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
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    BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
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    Herr Trump loves the gays and the unborn.

    short abortion clinics in red states, long abortion clinics in blue states.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,685
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    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
    We know how it turned out. Republicans voted to end slavery. Democrats voted to keep it but lost. The Democrats started a war to keep it but lost when the republicans kicked their ass.

    That's why blacks were predominantly republicans until the 60's when democrats started to buy their vote with "The Great Society" using our tax dollars. They have divided and destroyed black families and our society and racial harmony in the process.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    People forget that the left wants to run your life as well which is why this country is mired in the bullshit it is.

    And I am not disagreeing on the end game of the right.

    As a man of faith I don't want the government involved at all but plenty do. It's a fact

    I like how Trump got the evangelical vote without being either a real or pretend "religious" guy. We can debate these issues. As of today it sounds like Trump wants to send both issues back to the states to decide, and that would mean 81% of them would keep abortion and gay marriage legal. Who knows what he will think tomorrow.

    Reagan was the guy who married the evangelicals and the GOP and he was a Hollywood guy on his second marriage from California.

    That will only serve to further divide the country.

    Remember when some of the states didn't have slavery, but some did?

    How did that turn out? I know you were there.
    We know how it turned out. Republicans voted to end slavery. Democrats voted to keep it but lost. The Democrats started a war to keep it but lost when the republicans kicked their ass.

    That's why blacks were predominantly republicans until the 60's when democrats started to buy their vote with "The Great Society" using our tax dollars. They have divided and destroyed black families and our society and racial harmony in the process.
    You know that the 2 parties have changed ideologically over the last 150+ years, right?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,685
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    I call bullshit.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    I call bullshit.

    You can't call bullshit on the truth. That's called denial.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,685
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    So just prior to the civil war the southern slave owning democrats all moved north while all the northern republicans all moved south and into the plantations and slave ownership and seceded from the union and started the civil war.

    Makes perfect sense.
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