OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. Fuck it you're right, I am pretty concerned about LB. There's nobody that inspires confidence behind Bierria and Victor right now. I think we'll be okay next year with Bierria likely holding it down (and Victor likely in the league), but after that it's scary. Thankfully I like the talent they redshirted this year. The way those two developed makes me think somebody will step up, but I agree we haven't seen anyone do anything that inspires confidence yet. Patience is key. Bierria got some rotational work as a redshirt frosh, but both of the Victor/Bierria didn't really do anything spectacular until they were redshirt sophomores... 3rd year in the program. None of those 2nd string LBs are further than 2 years into the program, most came in the 2015 recruiting class (BBK, Tevis, DJ Beavers). Too early to completely write them off based on the pattern we saw with Victor/Bierria... though I do think that Wellington and Eifler are the future of that position.
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. Fuck it you're right, I am pretty concerned about LB. There's nobody that inspires confidence behind Bierria and Victor right now. I think we'll be okay next year with Bierria likely holding it down (and Victor likely in the league), but after that it's scary. Thankfully I like the talent they redshirted this year. The way those two developed makes me think somebody will step up, but I agree we haven't seen anyone do anything that inspires confidence yet.
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit.
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that.
Let me guess, he loves fishing and the outdoors and wants to get away from a rough family situation? It's a shame there is so much concrete in Seattle. Is the kid looking into Oregon State? In Corvallis you can shoot a bobcat from your dorm window when you wake up and take a 4 wheeler through the forest to class.
Let me guess, he loves fishing and the outdoors and wants to get away from a rough family situation?
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. Fuck it you're right, I am pretty concerned about LB. There's nobody that inspires confidence behind Bierria and Victor right now. I think we'll be okay next year with Bierria likely holding it down (and Victor likely in the league), but after that it's scary. Thankfully I like the talent they redshirted this year. The way those two developed makes me think somebody will step up, but I agree we haven't seen anyone do anything that inspires confidence yet. I don't think we have anybody that I feel really good at playing ILB. I think longer term things look really bright at BUCK and OLB, but I haven't seen anything to make me feel great about the inside guys.
@dnc I don't really disagree with you on your points about OL being the position where development matters, you normally are waiting 2-3 seasons before they enter the rotation, etc.That being said, when you have guys like Adams and McGary showing what they've shown earlier in their career, there is something to be said to getting a high end prospect, then coaching them up, and then look at what you have. And that's really the point that I would make and part of the reason why the TSIO podcast crew really can go off on our OL recruiting from time to time because when you're working predominately with projects, there's always the risk that they don't pan out ... but if you get the guys that already have the tools, now it's a matter of polishing them into huge gems Another way to look at it is that if you're constantly taking guys that you have to develop and are backup plan guys and/or projects, you're taking the OL approach similar to what the Seahawks do. The Hawks do that because of the salary cap and they are confident in Cable being able to do a job to get them competent and their trust in Wilson to get out of bad spots (which he was unable to do this year) ... do you think that the Hawks would take that approach if they didn't have to worry about the salary cap and instead could just go after and "recruit" the best players possible? Of course the Seahawks wouldn't take that approach.It's not the same thing though. A. Strausser has proven the ability to take shit and make something awesome out of it. Cable for all his rep has not. B. I believe Strausser's going to be getting better talent going forward thanks to the progress of the program.Obviously I'd rather have better talent than worse. Was McGary really a high end OL prospect though? I remember people being excited about him but I don't remember thinking he was highly recruited like Adams, let alone Sorrell. I have no doubts Strausser can get kids like McGary. Yes, he was. McGary was a 4 star T from Scout. But he wanted to play DL, so we recruited him at DL, then flipped him. Strausser didn't get McGary. Kawasaki did.Also - if it's so hard to translate rankings into production, how come Josh Garnett wan an All American and McGary and Adams are studs early in their careers? It's a fucking nonsensical argument that never has any evidence, but still...Yeah, rankings are slightly 'LESS' predictive at OL (the big article a few years ago analyzing all this showed it was slightly lower for OL), but that does not mean 'NON' predictive (FUCKING DUH). And for top end prospects, prediction was very good. So what the fuck is the point of all of this?I'm sorry, but it doesn't make a good argument that recruiting doesn't matter when the two tackles on your team trucking people were both highly rated, beasting people as Sophs and both talked about as future NFL players. All the rest of this crap is dawgman level discourse.
@dnc I don't really disagree with you on your points about OL being the position where development matters, you normally are waiting 2-3 seasons before they enter the rotation, etc.That being said, when you have guys like Adams and McGary showing what they've shown earlier in their career, there is something to be said to getting a high end prospect, then coaching them up, and then look at what you have. And that's really the point that I would make and part of the reason why the TSIO podcast crew really can go off on our OL recruiting from time to time because when you're working predominately with projects, there's always the risk that they don't pan out ... but if you get the guys that already have the tools, now it's a matter of polishing them into huge gems Another way to look at it is that if you're constantly taking guys that you have to develop and are backup plan guys and/or projects, you're taking the OL approach similar to what the Seahawks do. The Hawks do that because of the salary cap and they are confident in Cable being able to do a job to get them competent and their trust in Wilson to get out of bad spots (which he was unable to do this year) ... do you think that the Hawks would take that approach if they didn't have to worry about the salary cap and instead could just go after and "recruit" the best players possible? Of course the Seahawks wouldn't take that approach.It's not the same thing though. A. Strausser has proven the ability to take shit and make something awesome out of it. Cable for all his rep has not. B. I believe Strausser's going to be getting better talent going forward thanks to the progress of the program.Obviously I'd rather have better talent than worse. Was McGary really a high end OL prospect though? I remember people being excited about him but I don't remember thinking he was highly recruited like Adams, let alone Sorrell. I have no doubts Strausser can get kids like McGary.
@dnc I don't really disagree with you on your points about OL being the position where development matters, you normally are waiting 2-3 seasons before they enter the rotation, etc.That being said, when you have guys like Adams and McGary showing what they've shown earlier in their career, there is something to be said to getting a high end prospect, then coaching them up, and then look at what you have. And that's really the point that I would make and part of the reason why the TSIO podcast crew really can go off on our OL recruiting from time to time because when you're working predominately with projects, there's always the risk that they don't pan out ... but if you get the guys that already have the tools, now it's a matter of polishing them into huge gems Another way to look at it is that if you're constantly taking guys that you have to develop and are backup plan guys and/or projects, you're taking the OL approach similar to what the Seahawks do. The Hawks do that because of the salary cap and they are confident in Cable being able to do a job to get them competent and their trust in Wilson to get out of bad spots (which he was unable to do this year) ... do you think that the Hawks would take that approach if they didn't have to worry about the salary cap and instead could just go after and "recruit" the best players possible?
@dnc I don't really disagree with you on your points about OL being the position where development matters, you normally are waiting 2-3 seasons before they enter the rotation, etc.That being said, when you have guys like Adams and McGary showing what they've shown earlier in their career, there is something to be said to getting a high end prospect, then coaching them up, and then look at what you have. And that's really the point that I would make and part of the reason why the TSIO podcast crew really can go off on our OL recruiting from time to time because when you're working predominately with projects, there's always the risk that they don't pan out ... but if you get the guys that already have the tools, now it's a matter of polishing them into huge gems Another way to look at it is that if you're constantly taking guys that you have to develop and are backup plan guys and/or projects, you're taking the OL approach similar to what the Seahawks do. The Hawks do that because of the salary cap and they are confident in Cable being able to do a job to get them competent and their trust in Wilson to get out of bad spots (which he was unable to do this year) ... do you think that the Hawks would take that approach if they didn't have to worry about the salary cap and instead could just go after and "recruit" the best players possible? Of course the Seahawks wouldn't take that approach.It's not the same thing though. A. Strausser has proven the ability to take shit and make something awesome out of it. Cable for all his rep has not. B. I believe Strausser's going to be getting better talent going forward thanks to the progress of the program.Obviously I'd rather have better talent than worse. Was McGary really a high end OL prospect though? I remember people being excited about him but I don't remember thinking he was highly recruited like Adams, let alone Sorrell. I have no doubts Strausser can get kids like McGary. Yes, he was. McGary was a 4 star T from Scout. But he wanted to play DL, so we recruited him at DL, then flipped him. Strausser didn't get McGary. Kawasaki did.Also - if it's so hard to translate rankings into production, how come Josh Garnett wan an All American and McGary and Adams are studs early in their careers? It's a fucking nonsensical argument that never has any evidence, but still...Yeah, rankings are slightly 'LESS' predictive at OL (the big article a few years ago analyzing all this showed it was slightly lower for OL), but that does not mean 'NON' predictive (FUCKING DUH). And for top end prospects, prediction was very good. So what the fuck is the point of all of this?I'm sorry, but it doesn't make a good argument that recruiting doesn't matter when the two tackles on your team trucking people were both highly rated, beasting people as Sophs and both talked about as future NFL players. All the rest of this crap is dawgman level discourse. Nobody made an argument that recruiting doesn't matter.hth
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. Fuck it you're right, I am pretty concerned about LB. There's nobody that inspires confidence behind Bierria and Victor right now. I think we'll be okay next year with Bierria likely holding it down (and Victor likely in the league), but after that it's scary. Thankfully I like the talent they redshirted this year. The way those two developed makes me think somebody will step up, but I agree we haven't seen anyone do anything that inspires confidence yet. Wellington is gonna be a nice player, same with Eifler..
OL is the one area where I have always thought production correlates least to recruiting rankings. Very few linemen are ready to start as true frosh, most of them need development and weight room and nutrition (yes I know that's true for every position but I've always thought it more about OL than anywhere else). If we're going to have an area where recruiting struggles but coaching excels OL would be the one I would pick.Given Strausser's track record and the results we're seeing now, I'm fine with him staying. I'd bet anything recruiting OL's picks up based on the success of the program and his OL anyway. Whoever the sophomore/junior Foster Sarrell's are right now are going to be much more open to UW. That will help every position of course, but I'd bet anything the combination of development/ability to spot talent/program success is going to make the OL excellent going forward. There's not really a position I'm concerned about long term other than QB post Browning. And there's plenty of time to address that. Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. Fuck it you're right, I am pretty concerned about LB. There's nobody that inspires confidence behind Bierria and Victor right now. I think we'll be okay next year with Bierria likely holding it down (and Victor likely in the league), but after that it's scary. Thankfully I like the talent they redshirted this year. The way those two developed makes me think somebody will step up, but I agree we haven't seen anyone do anything that inspires confidence yet. I don't think we have anybody that I feel really good at playing ILB. I think longer term things look really bright at BUCK and OLB, but I haven't seen anything to make me feel great about the inside guys. Wellington is an inside guy, he'll be very good and will likely replace Bierria when he leaves, and Eifler is waiting in the wings behind Victor.
Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit. They good.
Anyone at all concerned about LB post Bierra and Victor? When the JV squad is on there seems to be a pretty big drop off. Don't we have some stud LB red shirting though? I drink too much to remember all this shit.
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere Not to rehash, but the only way it doesn't match what we have been seeing elsewhere is for the current class, which is, you know, not complete yet.
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere Not to rehash, but the only way it doesn't match what we have been seeing elsewhere is for the current class, which is, you know, not complete yet. This has been covered elsewhere and on our pod (where it was so bad we had to pull the plug midstream because DDY was about to kill himself or someone else) ... but the mix of numbers and quality on the OL is less than ideal ... at this point it is FS to argue otherwise ... it is the DM argument that so many here rallied against in years prior ... very amusing that it is now reversed If you don't want DDY to try to kill himself again, I recommend fixing OL recruiting
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere Not to rehash, but the only way it doesn't match what we have been seeing elsewhere is for the current class, which is, you know, not complete yet. This has been covered elsewhere and on our pod (where it was so bad we had to pull the plug midstream because DDY was about to kill himself or someone else) ... but the mix of numbers and quality on the OL is less than ideal ... at this point it is FS to argue otherwise
This fucking debate again.I'll only bitch about the line recruiting when the line sucks. Lag effect will take place with the premier recruits down the line.Strausser is doing his job.Pretty much every recruit TSIO podcast has blasted before stepping on campus has been productive early in their careers, usually leap frogging the higher ranked guys.I'm starting a podcast called Let it play out, you don't know shit. orLIPO, YDKS Podcast
This fucking debate again.I'll only bitch about the line recruiting when the line sucks. Lag effect will take place with the premier recruits down the line.Strausser is doing his job.Pretty much every recruit TSIO podcast has blasted before stepping on campus has been productive early in their careers, usually leap frogging the higher ranked guys.I'm starting a podcast called Let it play out, you don't know shit. orLIPO, YDKS Podcast I was thinking about this Saturday when Aaron Fuller scored, but I couldn't remember who was trashing him on signing day. 4 true freshmen getting playing time, and two of those four are Fuller and Nick Harris, both shit on by our resident TBS'ers. I remember someone saying Fuller had the worst tape for a D1 receiver he'd ever seen. Well, kid can ball.
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere Not to rehash, but the only way it doesn't match what we have been seeing elsewhere is for the current class, which is, you know, not complete yet. This has been covered elsewhere and on our pod (where it was so bad we had to pull the plug midstream because DDY was about to kill himself or someone else) ... but the mix of numbers and quality on the OL is less than ideal ... at this point it is FS to argue otherwise The 2014 OL class was pretty poor, but it was also the transition class.In 2015 & 2016, the apparent quality, based on recruiting rankings, was right in line with the rest of those classes. I would have preferred at least one more linemen in those two classes, but that is that one recruit the difference between a crisis that you have to be fucking stupid not to see and everything being just dandy?
We've been RIGHT more than we've been wrong! Some of you need to take a walk for perspective!!1
Strausser the recruiter put this line together, right? Only the tackles. The interior guys are all Sark/Cozzetto guys.
Strausser the recruiter put this line together, right?
For the record, Dennis was the one that hated on Fuller, but when his senior film came out he felt better about him.
No, recruiting actually matters ... the current state of OL recruiting is concerning ... it's the one area where the recruiting doesn't match what we see elsewhere Not to rehash, but the only way it doesn't match what we have been seeing elsewhere is for the current class, which is, you know, not complete yet. This has been covered elsewhere and on our pod (where it was so bad we had to pull the plug midstream because DDY was about to kill himself or someone else) ... but the mix of numbers and quality on the OL is less than ideal ... at this point it is FS to argue otherwise The 2014 OL class was pretty poor, but it was also the transition class.In 2015 & 2016, the apparent quality, based on recruiting rankings, was right in line with the rest of those classes. I would have preferred at least one more linemen in those two classes, but that is that one recruit the difference between a crisis that you have to be fucking stupid not to see and everything being just dandy? My concern is as much based on numbers as it is quality ...To your point that we were 1 lineman short in the 2015 and 2016 classes, which I would agree with, the problem is that IF you consistently are in that position that really impacts your numbers down the road and leads to a lack of balance in a class ... which has its own issues.The reason you are hearing the TSIO crew so vocal on this is that as it stands now the 2017 class is going in the same direction. 3 straight years of that becomes a huge problem.To those that are fast forwarding to February and saying what if we get this guy and that guy, there's no question that we don't know with 100% certainty what the final class will look like. The TSIO podcast has been fairly consistent in saying that we'll be getting Henry Bainivalu from Skyline. We call it as we see it at the time and try to stay in a position where we're talking about what is likely and not about hopes and dreams. And for anybody that likes to bash what one of us says about this recruit or that recruit, we're also way more accurate about what we talk about than not. The citing of Nick Harris on one hand is a nice surprise, but one of the big reasons that we weren't high on him is because he really doesn't look the part. He's still dramatically undersized and the fact that he's playing at this point to me is as much an indictment on the overall depth on our line than anything else. The RG position on our offense has been about one of the few positions that has been at times a shit show on the entire roster.
