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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    Only here to say fuck Bernie Sanders, with all integrity and honesty & independence & shit.

    Sanders was good in some ways and bad in others.
    However he was not proposing a system similar to venzuela, nor even close to one.
    Bernie wants even greater coercive control over people's lives. That's bad enough.
    How did Bernie want more coercive control over people's lives?
    Higher taxes
    Single payer healthcare
    Ok. How is that coercive control? Unless your definition is different than mine, I don't see Bernie able to get a boner, let alone rule with an iron fist.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    Only here to say fuck Bernie Sanders, with all integrity and honesty & independence & shit.

    Sanders was good in some ways and bad in others.
    However he was not proposing a system similar to venzuela, nor even close to one.
    Bernie wants even greater coercive control over people's lives. That's bad enough.
    How did Bernie want more coercive control over people's lives?
    Higher taxes
    Single payer healthcare
    Ok. How is that coercive control? Unless your definition is different than mine, I don't see Bernie able to get a boner, let alone rule with an iron fist.
    Are you as a child, who desires the firm paternal authority guiding you and making decisions for you own good? Or do you identify with the narcissistic ruling class, making those decisions for the good of the enfeebled masses?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    dhdawg said:

    Only here to say fuck Bernie Sanders, with all integrity and honesty & independence & shit.

    Sanders was good in some ways and bad in others.
    However he was not proposing a system similar to venzuela, nor even close to one.
    Bernie wants even greater coercive control over people's lives. That's bad enough.
    How did Bernie want more coercive control over people's lives?
    Taking from the productive to support the lazy and illegal to the tune of 90% of your wagges seems intrusive to me. If it's not to you send me 40%.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    His highest Tax bracket was low 50's and almost everyone's taxes would not have gone up at all actually
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,776
    Nearly all taxation is morally wrong. HTH.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Here's the thing, Hyundai. Yes, that city is a bigger shithole than anywhere in America. But a country's type of government is not the biggest determinant of standard of living. Culture, work ethic, habits, problem-solving, ability to obtain resources, etc...those are the things that make up our quality of life.

    Just like how that city in India is considered a better place to live than other places in India, America would be a much better place too with a government that has a smaller or non-existent role.


    If you like rivers that catch on fire, sewage in the water, terrible smog, no infrastructure, etc.

    Shut the fuck up. America is great right now. Seriously, what's so intrusive about the government right now that you can't live your life as you want?
    Crooked government, NSA spying, crooked justice system, illegal immigration, lazy fucks, the economy, government spending, president aiding our enemies etc, etc, etc. and of course socialist ass hats running around saying that's all great.

    That's a real short list.
    All infringe upon my freedoms. Violations of the constitution by the government against its citizens is very serious. Why does it not surprise me that it doesn't matter to you. The government is supposed to fear the people not the opposite.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Here's the thing, Hyundai. Yes, that city is a bigger shithole than anywhere in America. But a country's type of government is not the biggest determinant of standard of living. Culture, work ethic, habits, problem-solving, ability to obtain resources, etc...those are the things that make up our quality of life.

    Just like how that city in India is considered a better place to live than other places in India, America would be a much better place too with a government that has a smaller or non-existent role.


    If you like rivers that catch on fire, sewage in the water, terrible smog, no infrastructure, etc.

    Shut the fuck up. America is great right now. Seriously, what's so intrusive about the government right now that you can't live your life as you want?
    Crooked government, NSA spying, crooked justice system, illegal immigration, lazy fucks, the economy, government spending, president aiding our enemies etc, etc, etc. and of course socialist ass hats running around saying that's all great.

    That's a real short list.
    All infringe upon my freedoms. Violations of the constitution by the government against its citizens is very serious. Why does it not surprise me that it doesn't matter to you. The government is supposed to fear the people not the opposite.

    Looks like you are arguing with yourself.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    His highest Tax bracket was low 50's and almost everyone's taxes would not have gone up at all actually

    Quick name a socialist regime in power that was honest? Can't run Bernies plan on 50%. As I've said to others if you want to give away money I'll willingly accept it.

    Then donate it to fight stupidity.