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"We" got a team?doogsinparadise said:
Isn't it?RaceBannon said:Some people act like it's their money being spent.
#publicstadiumfinancing
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"We" will probably have an arena before a team. But still.PurpleJ said:
"We" got a team?doogsinparadise said:
Isn't it?RaceBannon said:Some people act like it's their money being spent.
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I fully understand the finances of the NBA. Ticket prices are a far lower percentage of the total revenue pie than the rights fees coming from all of the differing multimedia rights fees.
On one hand, I don't have a single problem with businesses making as much money as possible. But you also hit a tipping point when people start looking at things where the numbers start making sense. If a LeBron caliber player is making $100M per year, I don't think anybody looks at that and says too much. But when guys that aren't any kind of difference maker is making insane money, then you start getting people to start questioning the current direction.
As for whether or not the problem is attendance or whatnot, at present it isn't. The arenas are full for sure. Television viewership is fine. But the reality is that the rights fees for networks carrying sports keeps increasing exponentially year after year so one way or another we all are paying for it. And, if that isn't enough, you still have the small issue of arenas and the impact on the communities. My guess is that what you're going to find is that the appetite will vanish for governments to sink a ton of money into facilities when you have for instance $250M going to 2 players that have never made an All-Star team.
Again, no problem what they are doing in the short run. But what is going on is going to come back and get them somewhere down the line as they continue to chase revenue stream after revenue stream while some of the other claims start falling on deaf ears. -
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Clearly you don't understand the finances or you wouldn't keep digging yourself a bigger hole.Tequilla said:I fully understand the finances of the NBA. Ticket prices are a far lower percentage of the total revenue pie than the rights fees coming from all of the differing multimedia rights fees.
On one hand, I don't have a single problem with businesses making as much money as possible. But you also hit a tipping point when people start looking at things where the numbers start making sense. If a LeBron caliber player is making $100M per year, I don't think anybody looks at that and says too much. But when guys that aren't any kind of difference maker is making insane money, then you start getting people to start questioning the current direction.
As for whether or not the problem is attendance or whatnot, at present it isn't. The arenas are full for sure. Television viewership is fine. But the reality is that the rights fees for networks carrying sports keeps increasing exponentially year after year so one way or another we all are paying for it. And, if that isn't enough, you still have the small issue of arenas and the impact on the communities. My guess is that what you're going to find is that the appetite will vanish for governments to sink a ton of money into facilities when you have for instance $250M going to 2 players that have never made an All-Star team.
Again, no problem what they are doing in the short run. But what is going on is going to come back and get them somewhere down the line as they continue to chase revenue stream after revenue stream while some of the other claims start falling on deaf ears.
What you call insane, NBA owners call good business. Increasing franchise values, winning championships, filling seats; whatever an NBA owner's motivations are, they didn't get the money to buy their franchises by being dumbfucks.
Fuck up and overpay a player? Wear the contract. Grind your teeth and grimace watching that player age, your team suck and the guy in the next city hoisting a trophy and drinking Crystal while giving you the finger.
Don't like the rights fees that the teams pass on to you? Un-hook your cable. Don't buy tickets. Tell Softy to fuck himself when he invites you down for the rally.
Of course you could be like you: Renew your tickets. Keep the lights on. Support your team. Help keep the lights on. You share the optimism. Good times are just around the next bend. Good things take time.
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Women's roller derby players make a fraction of what these guys are making... and don't get me started on facilities.
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Flagged for calling Golden State a small market team.Baseman said:
Hi. Owners set ticket prices. TV $ drives the majority of the revenues. If the owners didn't think it was good business they wouldn't offer the players fucking insane salaries. The rich wouldn't fall over themselves to buy the franchises.Tequilla said:
Missing the point I was making ...allpurpleallgold said:
Yeah, why doesn't everyone just sign a bunch of all stars and win the championship? Stupid GMs.Tequilla said:I question how much Parsons has left ... I wouldn't put close to $100M on my cap with a guy that may have little left in his knee (or at minimum, needs to have a good knee to be an effective player at that salary).
The money is the new norm ... but that doesn't make it right. Smart teams will exploit this by putting together as many max guys as possible and filling out their roster with guys looking for the chance to win (and the $$$ that come with that) and let the not quite good enough All Stars sign their cap crippling $15-$20M a year contracts.
Of course not everybody will be able to do that because there are only so many teams that can do that ... but more than ever the handful of franchises that are able to obtain and/or attract these players will be able to stock pile these kinds of players. With how much the cap is, you'll be able to load multiple top end guys under the cap which you used to never be able to do unless you obtained all of them. There was never the potential for a team like the Warriors to have the kind of money available to be able to go out and make a legit run at a player like KD.
With the idea of salary floors, etc., too many of these teams have no choice but to spend the money and in so doing are going to enter into bad contract after bad contract for guys that quite frankly suck. Evan Turner isn't worth close to $250k per game. That's fucking insane. That means the equivalent of a full capacity arena of 20k paying $12.50 of their ticket price directly to Evan Turner each game ... I know there's more into it than that ... but that's what I'm getting at. It's fucking insane.
The fucking insane ticket prices obviously didn't keep the fans from filling the arenas to 94% of capacity, an NBA record. Even Grandpa Sankey attended two games this year.
The fact that smaller market teams like Golden State can assemble a team of stars shows how assinine your view is. -
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Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
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It's pretty hard to value sports franchises because they are generally the side chick to some ego maniacal billionaire who decides how badly he wants it. I think Forbes did a study where actual value of the business vs. what people will pay is crazy off because if a billionaire wants a shiny toy they'll get it.BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
In the end what you're worth is what you get paid, but being from Sac that price was inflated greatly because of Seattle wanting a team.
As long as Seattle is Sonicsless all franchises will be overvalued because some dumbass northwest power group will get in a bidding war and then lose because that's what the northwest does. -
It's not hard to value actual transactions that have actual prices attached to them. HTH.Doogles said:
It's pretty hard to value sports franchises because they are generally the side chick to some ego maniacal billionaire who decides how badly he wants it. I think Forbes did a study where actual value of the business vs. what people will pay is crazy off because if a billionaire wants a shiny toy they'll get it.BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
In the end what you're worth is what you get paid, but being from Sac that price was inflated greatly because of Seattle wanting a team.
As long as Seattle is Sonicsless all franchises will be overvalued because some dumbass northwest power group will get in a bidding war and then lose because that's what the northwest does.
Whatever your measure of value is (Forbes or actual transactions) franchise values have clearly ballooned in the past 5-10 years. Players are just getting their % of the growing pie. -
Duh.BallSacked said:
It's not hard to value actual transactions that have actual prices attached to them. HTH.Doogles said:
It's pretty hard to value sports franchises because they are generally the side chick to some ego maniacal billionaire who decides how badly he wants it. I think Forbes did a study where actual value of the business vs. what people will pay is crazy off because if a billionaire wants a shiny toy they'll get it.BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
In the end what you're worth is what you get paid, but being from Sac that price was inflated greatly because of Seattle wanting a team.
As long as Seattle is Sonicsless all franchises will be overvalued because some dumbass northwest power group will get in a bidding war and then lose because that's what the northwest does.
Whatever your measure of value is (Forbes or actual transactions) franchise values have clearly ballooned in the past 5-10 years. Players are just getting their % of the growing pie. -
WTF does this have to do with black men?BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid? -
Nobody pitches a fit about MLB salaries which are nearly as ridiculous.HuskyInAZ said:
WTF does this have to do with black men?BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
#WhitePower -
Uhhhh, hello?...I wasn't the one putting these men on the back of a flatbed truck and judging their relative worth.HuskyInAZ said:
WTF does this have to do with black men?BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
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Disagree. These NBA contracts are far surpassing the MLB's on a level of value.dnc said:
Nobody pitches a fit about MLB salaries which are nearly as ridiculous.HuskyInAZ said:
WTF does this have to do with black men?BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
#WhitePower
It was kind of puzzling that Jeff Smajardja got 5 years 90 mil. Mike Conley got 5 and 153. -
NBA is worth more than baseball and growing.RoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. These NBA contracts are far surpassing the MLB's on a level of value.dnc said:
Nobody pitches a fit about MLB salaries which are nearly as ridiculous.HuskyInAZ said:
WTF does this have to do with black men?BallSacked said:
Franchise values have probably been increasing faster than player salaries.RoadDawg55 said:Even Turner getting almost 19 million a year. Noah could hardly make a lay up last year and is getting 18 mil. Mozgov is getting 16.
It's the way the NBA works with the new labor agreement, but thes contracts are crazy.
Warriors sold in 2010 for $400M, 4 years later the fucking kings and bucks go for $550M and clips go for $2billion.
Or do you have a problem with black men getting paid?
#WhitePower
It was kind of puzzling that Jeff Smajardja got 5 years 90 mil. Mike Conley got 5 and 153.
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Normally I don't care about basketball, but this makes me think AND care.dnc said: -
How did my Mavs do in FA?
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Never mind. Just went and read all about another year of Mavericks futility and failure. Cuban used to be pretty good at this. Now he sucks balls. Maybe he should hire @Cohen12 to run things.
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Mavs landed 2/5s of a 73 win teams starting lineup. Cuban proves the haters wrong.
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Does the fact that it's the bad 2/5ths matter?allpurpleallgold said:Mavs landed 2/5s of a 73 win teams starting lineup. Cuban proves the haters wrong.
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So the shark got 40% of the company. At what valuation?allpurpleallgold said:Mavs landed 2/5s of a 73 win teams starting lineup. Cuban proves the haters wrong.
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Don't ask questions you already know the answer to.
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Huh?allpurpleallgold said:Don't ask questions you already know the answer to.
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8 seed here we come!allpurpleallgold said:Mavs landed 2/5s of a 73 win teams starting lineup. Cuban proves the haters wrong.
