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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    edited April 2016
    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,128
    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    They will be lucky to win more than a game against the Spurs. The Clippers might even beat them. Maybe not though because it's the Clippers and Blake Griffin is injured/ kind of sucks right now.

    I like Livingston a lot a a role player, but the Rockets play no d. The Spurs play the best defense in the league.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    If Curry's less than 100% for the San Antonio series it will be a bloodbath. San Antonio is damn near as good as GS with Curry at full strength. If he's at 81% GS will be lucky to win two games. If he's out it's probably a sweep.

    San Antonio is a monster.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    If Curry's less than 100% for the San Antonio series it will be a bloodbath. San Antonio is damn near as good as GS with Curry at full strength. If he's at 81% GS will be lucky to win two games. If he's out it's probably a sweep.

    San Antonio is a monster.
    I know it was the regular season but Golden State looked like they could run SA out of the gym at will
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    If Curry's less than 100% for the San Antonio series it will be a bloodbath. San Antonio is damn near as good as GS with Curry at full strength. If he's at 81% GS will be lucky to win two games. If he's out it's probably a sweep.

    San Antonio is a monster.
    I know it was the regular season but Golden State looked like they could run SA out of the gym at will
    I put a decent amount of stock in the regular season, but Popovich has made it clear he coaches differently in the playoffs than the regular season. I want the Warriors to win the title but they're not gonna do it without a full strength Curry. San Antonio is great.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    If Curry's less than 100% for the San Antonio series it will be a bloodbath. San Antonio is damn near as good as GS with Curry at full strength. If he's at 81% GS will be lucky to win two games. If he's out it's probably a sweep.

    San Antonio is a monster.
    I know it was the regular season but Golden State looked like they could run SA out of the gym at will
    I put a decent amount of stock in the regular season, but Popovich has made it clear he coaches differently in the playoffs than the regular season. I want the Warriors to win the title but they're not gonna do it without a full strength Curry. San Antonio is great.
    *stalk
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Again, we don't know the injury yet so let's let it play out before crowning this team or that team.

    The Spurs are obviously a great team and play a ton of defense. My guess is that if Curry is out long term the Warriors will probably tighten up the defense a bit more ... which most forget that they happen to be pretty good on that end of the ball.

    The idea of Livingston being over-exposed may or may not be relevant ... I could just as easily see the Warriors expanding Iguodala's role and making him the lead guard while also putting out their best defensive team. That's still a really good team. Obviously not a 73 win team ... but probably more like a 55 win team ... still definitely good enough to be very competitive.

    From what I've seen, the Clippers have nothing to threaten the Warriors with in a series with or without Curry. It's basically Paul dragging everybody with him as Blake seems very obviously unhealthy.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    Again, we don't know the injury yet so let's let it play out before crowning this team or that team.

    The Spurs are obviously a great team and play a ton of defense. My guess is that if Curry is out long term the Warriors will probably tighten up the defense a bit more ... which most forget that they happen to be pretty good on that end of the ball.

    The idea of Livingston being over-exposed may or may not be relevant ... I could just as easily see the Warriors expanding Iguodala's role and making him the lead guard while also putting out their best defensive team. That's still a really good team. Obviously not a 73 win team ... but probably more like a 55 win team ... still definitely good enough to be very competitive.

    From what I've seen, the Clippers have nothing to threaten the Warriors with in a series with or without Curry. It's basically Paul dragging everybody with him as Blake seems very obviously unhealthy.

    I agree they will beat the Clips with or without Steph. I don't think any 50 or even 55 win true talent team is beating SA in the playoffs though.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    I would tend to agree ...

    But at this point, we're really just estimating what Golden State is without Curry and trying to extrapolate when/where/how some of the role players will step up. Can Thompson shoulder more of a load? How much does Harrison Barnes see his role expand and step up? Can Iguodala handle playing a consistent 35 minutes per night? Does moving either him or Livingston into the starting lineup compromise their bench? Is it possible that the usage of Festus Ezili becomes more of a factor on the offensive end?

    IF there's a team that is positioned to lose a MVP and still be able to keep everything together, it would be the Warriors and their depth.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    I would tend to agree ...

    But at this point, we're really just estimating what Golden State is without Curry and trying to extrapolate when/where/how some of the role players will step up. Can Thompson shoulder more of a load? How much does Harrison Barnes see his role expand and step up? Can Iguodala handle playing a consistent 35 minutes per night? Does moving either him or Livingston into the starting lineup compromise their bench? Is it possible that the usage of Festus Ezili becomes more of a factor on the offensive end?

    IF there's a team that is positioned to lose a MVP and still be able to keep everything together, it would be the Warriors and their depth.

    Except their on court performance when he's been out says otherwise. Yes, they looked good yesterday after he went down, but Houston's SIO and they know it, they DGAF. Throughout the season the Warriors had a negative point differential when Curry missed time (and over 11 points in the positive when he was healthy).

    I agree they would be a pretty good team without him once they settled into their new roles and rotations. Pretty good isn't beating SA.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    I"m pretty sure Jordan could lock down Curry at 25 feet today.

    At age 53.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    If you guys can't see that Karma is with the Cavs this year I can't help you. I knew Curry was going to get hurt but was asked to hold on to the information until it could be made public
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Grade 2 MCL sprain. Will be reevaluated in two weeks.

    TSIO
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    They can play defense without him but will struggle to score 100 points per game, which is what they'll need against SA and Cleveland.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    They can play defense without him but will struggle to score 100 points per game, which is what they'll need against SA and Cleveland.

    They won't see Cleveland
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Grade 2 MCL sprain. Will be reevaluated in two weeks.

    TSIO

    It's a Grade 1 sprain ... not a grade 2 sprain.

    If it was a Grade 2 sprain, the odds of him returning before the Finals would be slim to none.

    Grade 1 probably puts him best case at the back end of a lengthy series against the Clippers but more likely at some point during the series against the Spurs.

    With the type of medical support around for a NBA organization, it's likely that he'll be able to return on the front end of recovery time than the back end of it.

    Assuming he's back in a series against the Spurs, I would expect that he'd have some rust to his game. It probably levels the playing field a bit as I would expect the Warriors to win the series in probably 5 or 6 games with everybody 100% healthy. Very likely that you're looking at a 7 game series at this point.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Grade 2 MCL sprain. Will be reevaluated in two weeks.

    TSIO

    It's a Grade 1 sprain ... not a grade 2 sprain.

    If it was a Grade 2 sprain, the odds of him returning before the Finals would be slim to none.

    Grade 1 probably puts him best case at the back end of a lengthy series against the Clippers but more likely at some point during the series against the Spurs.

    With the type of medical support around for a NBA organization, it's likely that he'll be able to return on the front end of recovery time than the back end of it.

    Assuming he's back in a series against the Spurs, I would expect that he'd have some rust to his game. It probably levels the playing field a bit as I would expect the Warriors to win the series in probably 5 or 6 games with everybody 100% healthy. Very likely that you're looking at a 7 game series at this point.
    I was just reporting what I was hearing.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    I like to be RoadDoog fucking stupid and make bold NBA proclamations without even knowing what the second round matchups are.

    I do that.

    Boobie 2.0 continues to be a disaster. Major pressing, especially when you yourself say nothing but the WCF matter.
    I still lean Warriors without Curry, but it's very close.
    You actually think the Warriors without Curry can beat the Spurs? Are you planning on taking out Leonard, Aldridge, and Parker?
    Green, Speights and Livingston would be able to handle them no problem.

    Next question.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Tequilla said:

    We don't even know what the injury is yet ... so premature to talk about anything until the MRI is completed and results known.

    The Warriors will get a week off before the next series starts + a likely 2 week series against the Clippers before playing the Spurs. If it is just sprained knee ligaments then it's very possible that the Warriors will get Curry back.

    And, while unquestionably Curry is the best player on the team and the league, they have many other pieces on their roster that are able to play at a high level. While you'd have to put the Spurs as the favorites at that point, I don't think you can write off a team as talented and proud as the Warriors. They'll figure out something.

    They will be lucky to win more than a game against the Spurs. The Clippers might even beat them. Maybe not though because it's the Clippers and Blake Griffin is injured/ kind of sucks right now.

    I like Livingston a lot a a role player, but the Rockets play no d. The Spurs play the best defense in the league.
    NO Dipshit. The Warriors play the best D in the league and Curry has little to do with that.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    This is why you don't call players all time greats during their second alleged championship year.

    Curry is awesome but greatness also depends on sustainability like our great stadium. That's why a big great player is preferred over a small great player. Curry was dinged up the year Davidson made their tourney run. He was hurt early in his pro career which is why everyone is saying what a great deal Golden State got by signing him to a big contract when other teams were saying what about his durability.

    If he never plays again he was great and it was worth it to win one championship. That's not the point.

    The point is he's Gus Williams until he shows he isn't. Let it play out.

    Golden State will be dangerous the rest of the play offs even if he is out. Winners win and they did a shit load of winning this year. The fumes will carry over.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    This is why you don't call players all time greats during their second alleged championship year.

    Curry is awesome but greatness also depends on sustainability like our great stadium. That's why a big great player is preferred over a small great player. Curry was dinged up the year Davidson made their tourney run. He was hurt early in his pro career which is why everyone is saying what a great deal Golden State got by signing him to a big contract when other teams were saying what about his durability.

    If he never plays again he was great and it was worth it to win one championship. That's not the point.

    The point is he's Gus Williams until he shows he isn't. Let it play out.

    Golden State will be dangerous the rest of the play offs even if he is out. Winners win and they did a shit load of winning this year. The fumes will carry over.

    Was anyone claiming Curry was an all time great? I saw people saying he had an all time great season, not that he was an all time great player. Maybe I missed it. Definitely agree with your synopsis overall.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    This is why you don't call players all time greats during their second alleged championship year.

    Curry is awesome but greatness also depends on sustainability like our great stadium. That's why a big great player is preferred over a small great player. Curry was dinged up the year Davidson made their tourney run. He was hurt early in his pro career which is why everyone is saying what a great deal Golden State got by signing him to a big contract when other teams were saying what about his durability.

    If he never plays again he was great and it was worth it to win one championship. That's not the point.

    The point is he's Gus Williams until he shows he isn't. Let it play out.

    Golden State will be dangerous the rest of the play offs even if he is out. Winners win and they did a shit load of winning this year. The fumes will carry over.

    Was anyone claiming Curry was an all time great? I saw people saying he had an all time great season, not that he was an all time great player. Maybe I missed it. Definitely agree with your synopsis overall.
    sports.cbslocal.com/2016/04/13/steph-curry-all-time-nba-greats/





    bleacherreport.com/articles/2620753-its-ok-to-admit-that-stephen-curry-is-one-of-nbas-all-time-greats

  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    Grade 2 MCL sprain. Will be reevaluated in two weeks.

    TSIO

    Doogs hate facts.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    dnc said:

    This is why you don't call players all time greats during their second alleged championship year.

    Curry is awesome but greatness also depends on sustainability like our great stadium. That's why a big great player is preferred over a small great player. Curry was dinged up the year Davidson made their tourney run. He was hurt early in his pro career which is why everyone is saying what a great deal Golden State got by signing him to a big contract when other teams were saying what about his durability.

    If he never plays again he was great and it was worth it to win one championship. That's not the point.

    The point is he's Gus Williams until he shows he isn't. Let it play out.

    Golden State will be dangerous the rest of the play offs even if he is out. Winners win and they did a shit load of winning this year. The fumes will carry over.

    Was anyone claiming Curry was an all time great? I saw people saying he had an all time great season, not that he was an all time great player. Maybe I missed it. Definitely agree with your synopsis overall.
    sports.cbslocal.com/2016/04/13/steph-curry-all-time-nba-greats/





    bleacherreport.com/articles/2620753-its-ok-to-admit-that-stephen-curry-is-one-of-nbas-all-time-greats

    Bleacher Report is your source?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    This is why you don't call players all time greats during their second alleged championship year.

    Curry is awesome but greatness also depends on sustainability like our great stadium. That's why a big great player is preferred over a small great player. Curry was dinged up the year Davidson made their tourney run. He was hurt early in his pro career which is why everyone is saying what a great deal Golden State got by signing him to a big contract when other teams were saying what about his durability.

    If he never plays again he was great and it was worth it to win one championship. That's not the point.

    The point is he's Gus Williams until he shows he isn't. Let it play out.

    Golden State will be dangerous the rest of the play offs even if he is out. Winners win and they did a shit load of winning this year. The fumes will carry over.

    Was anyone claiming Curry was an all time great? I saw people saying he had an all time great season, not that he was an all time great player. Maybe I missed it. Definitely agree with your synopsis overall.
    sports.cbslocal.com/2016/04/13/steph-curry-all-time-nba-greats/





    bleacherreport.com/articles/2620753-its-ok-to-admit-that-stephen-curry-is-one-of-nbas-all-time-greats

    Bleacher Report is your source?
    The entire spectrum of retarded media in 2016 is my source. #HotTalk #HotTakes
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,694 Founders Club
    Spurs Cavs Final. Cavs win. Kyrie series MVP.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    I"m pretty sure Jordan could lock down Curry at 25 feet today.

    At age 53.

    And dunk on him.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    edited April 2016

    If Curry is done or not close to 100% for the Spurs series it's a Spurs Cavs Finals. The Spurs are one of the best 15 teams of all time, they're not losing to a supporting cast. It's a King that they'll lose to.

    Warriors are going to make a super interesting documentary 15 years from now though.

    I don't even watch basketball much but when you're right you're right. I know I picked the Spurs before the playoffs, but I'm leaning Cavs right now. LeBron will get help from Kyrie, though.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    PurpleJ said:

    I"m pretty sure Jordan could lock down Curry at 25 feet today.

    At age 53.

    And dunk on him.
    True.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    You know the Clippers beat the Spurs last year right?