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Obama pushes for Solar Power North of the Arctic Circle.
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The operative phrase was "type of" and this was in response to somebody asking what the people do when it is cloudy or dark.HuskyInAZ said:You are the dumb fuck who said the grid could be used as a type of battery.
As I said earlier... high level conceptual thinking might be out of your league. You should stick to listening to Rush Limbaugh. -
Great comment, but you have still not answered the question. How the fuck is the grid a type of battery? It's not. You know it. I know it. Anyone with a pulse knows it.
If it's cloudy or dark, energy usage is primarily fossil fuel. Cut yourself off of the grid and walk the walk. Otherwise, STFU. -
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?HuskyInAZ said:How the fuck is the grid a type of battery?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college. -
Electricity does not 'store' in the grid. The manditory buyback of your wind generated electricity produced at 3 am on a Sunday, is 'stored' only on your account with the power company as a credit.
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Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.OZONE said:
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?HuskyInAZ said:How the fuck is the grid a type of battery?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years. -
You ignore the fact I've shown you two examples of how batteries are used with solar. One of them in my backyard. (For why they aren't on my home, I have an east/west facing house with trees to my south, my house is shaded in the winter and the panels would only get half a day in the summer.)HuskyInAZ said:
Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.OZONE said:
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?HuskyInAZ said:How the fuck is the grid a type of battery?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
Regardless, I have a question for you. Why do you hate solar so much? It's the only power without an environmental downside. Yes it's expensive, but as with every technology, it gets cheaper with time. -
You don't know anything about Bernie except you've heard he's a communist
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The only thing you've shown is how solar can charge AA batteries. We're talking about powering far more than your little toy hauler. And you can not accumulate unused energy from summer and use that energy in the winter, without batteries bigger than your house at a cost that is more than your house..2001400ex said:
You ignore the fact I've shown you two examples of how batteries are used with solar. One of them in my backyard. (For why they aren't on my home, I have an east/west facing house with trees to my south, my house is shaded in the winter and the panels would only get half a day in the summer.)HuskyInAZ said:
Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.OZONE said:
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?HuskyInAZ said:How the fuck is the grid a type of battery?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
Regardless, I have a question for you. Why do you hate solar so much? It's the only power without an environmental downside. Yes it's expensive, but as with every technology, it gets cheaper with time.
I don't hate solar, not sure where that came from. As I said, it is a piece of the puzzle. Build a couple more Grand Coulee dams and you won't have to waste your money on overpriced solar. Or build a Palo Verde in your neck of the woods, and you'll have all the power you need, without burning an ounce of fossil fuel. -
We already have banked or stored solar power, in hydro reservoirs. Works wonderfully.
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Two things this thread has clearly established is that Ozone is a fucking snob and he's an idiot.
Maybe you should move to Paris? The people there think they have all the answers and are MUCH more intelligent and sophisticated than people who went to the Ohio State University.
