Elite Coaches of the BCS Era (1998-2014) and Year 2
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Soooo... the 2016 season will be special for Michigan?
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Poking at the talent on offense is fair, it looked like crap, but I don't believe Miles is the best QB on the team. This whole year smacks of being a series of teachable moments to the team, part of "the process". Some big names got flushed along the way, and it just felt like the point was to get through to the players, especially those Peterman recruited. Peterman is changing the culture. Expectations are being established and consequences are being doled out.BallSacked said:
I would say not just young, but not very talented either.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Fucking this. They've been young since 2003. Every god damn year most teams take a hit at a position group. It's not like they have bad talent.They didn't have bad talent in 2009 He had his transition year. While expecting a RB is asking a lot, expecting the team to gel isn't.TierbsHsotBoobs said:CHRIST. Really looking forward to exhibition season #12 in a row.
So fucking young.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
Point is I wouldn't be surprised to see some young talent step up this year and replace more senior players who may not be getting it. Re: Miles, I'm guessing he either shows some miraculous improvement or is replaced, maybe even before the first game. Peterman started Kellen Moore as a redshirt frosh, it wouldn't shock me to see him do the same this year with KJ Vowels and to see a huge jump up in performance at that position.
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Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood. -
Love is a football field.PurpleJ said:Love is a battlefield.
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Great poast.Gladstone said:
Chris Petersen
Washington the previous 3 years: 22-16
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl
Petersen year 2: ???????????????
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So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
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Good chit. We've been posting stats like this since Gilby was hired.
Even Rick took over a dumpster fire here and won the Rose Bowl in year 2.
We need to see real results this year and a North division title year 3 or we have the wrong guy
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Solid post, and I couldn't agree more on the QB. Amazing, and totally surprising, in a bad way.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Great poast.Gladstone said:
Chris Petersen
Washington the previous 3 years: 22-16
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl
Petersen year 2: ???????????????
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So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
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Fair point. I guess that's the best comp as Dinardo was a zoo and proceeded by a top 5 coach all-time. The rest are blue-bood programs and Oregon, not a fair comparison to Washingtons situation.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
Oregon while not a blue blood, was at least competently coached by an adult and had massive AD/Nike$ committment to football for nearly 10 years prior to Kelly.
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I'm just going to Doog out a little and say that I'm excited about these guys who haven't played a down:
QB: Magna Carta
LT: McGary
SS: Zeke Turner
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#TeamCartaHFNY said:I'm just going to Doog out a little and say that I'm excited about these guys who haven't played a down:
QB: Magna Carta
LT: McGary
SS: Zeke Turner
