CHRIST. Really looking forward to exhibition season #12 in a row.
So fucking young.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Fucking this. They've been young since 2003. Every god damn year most teams take a hit at a position group. It's not like they have bad talent.They didn't have bad talent in 2009 He had his transition year. While expecting a RB is asking a lot, expecting the team to gel isn't.
I would say not just young, but not very talented either.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
Which players truly excite you next season? I'm not talking about young guys that could be good. There are a bunch of those, but who is a legitimate stud on the roster?
Which players truly excite you next season? I'm not talking about young guys that could be good. There are a bunch of those, but who is a legitimate stud on the roster?
Offense: Washington (possibly), Perkins has a shot for a 60 catch 750 yard season with a competent QB, would like to see Daniels in a bigger role
Defense: Mathis/Qualls, Feeney (can he get consistency - all PAC performer if he can), Budda, Sidney Jones
It's not a huge list. Will need a lot of players to flash and grow into next year. The key next year will be watching how many lumps this team takes and how they learn/grow from it.
How many years to get back to purple and gold? Woody still sizzling recruits at the expense of donators with white lids or black lids or whatever he can think of that mean nothing to the last 100+ years. I know, who cares.
Which players truly excite you next season? I'm not talking about young guys that could be good. There are a bunch of those, but who is a legitimate stud on the roster?
Offense: Washington (possibly), Perkins has a shot for a 60 catch 750 yard season with a competent QB, would like to see Daniels in a bigger role
Defense: Mathis/Qualls, Feeney (can he get consistency - all PAC performer if he can), Budda, Sidney Jones
It's not a huge list. Will need a lot of players to flash and grow into next year. The key next year will be watching how many lumps this team takes and how they learn/grow from it.
I like all the guys you listed to an extent.
Washington - Has potential, but also struggles to move the chains. In the Pac 12, there are a lot of backs I would rather have. Oregon - Tyner, Freeman ASU - Foster, probably Richard too UCLA - Perkins USC - Madden. I'm sure they have another too. A couple other are about equal like Wilson from Arizona. McCaffrey from Stanford is going to be good too, but he's kind of a hybrid WR/RB. Anyways, Washington is league average at best right now, but his big play ability is enticing.
Perkins - I like Perkins. He's not really a difference maker though. On a good offense, he's a solid complementary piece. Daniels has potential but hasn't done much to this point.
I will add Pettis to this list, but he fits the young guy who has flashed profile.
Mathis/Qualls - Both guys could be good, but they are unproven. They have flashed, but not against good teams. They have a lot to prove this season that they can handle being the guys on the DL. They are guys to keep an eye on, but nobody knows if they are good or merely average at this point.
Feeney - You nailed it with consistency. He hasn't shown that yet.
Budda - Love him and he should be a stud. He did get burned too often though.
Jones - Same as Budda. He needs to show he can do it as the #1 CB without a great pass rush.
Ross - Great kick returner. Maybe even the best in the country. He has the talent to be All Conference on either side of the ball.
New lines, an unproven and shitty QB, and very few potential all conference guys. The lines need time to mature, the QB likely will as well, and the other best players are mostly underclassmen or entering their first year as starters.
Petersen isn't going to work miracles. His teams at Boise were really, really good with a lot of talent. His entire DL that went to the NFL. The offense had Moore, Martin, Pettis, and Young.
Petersen has proven to know how to evaluate talent and run a disciplined program. The offensive genius label seems to be bullshit. He doesn't seem like the most flexible coach either. He's going to run his shit that he wants to run and run his program his way. We have all waited long enough, but this is going to take awhile.
CHRIST. Really looking forward to exhibition season #12 in a row.
So fucking young.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Fucking this. They've been young since 2003. Every god damn year most teams take a hit at a position group. It's not like they have bad talent.They didn't have bad talent in 2009 He had his transition year. While expecting a RB is asking a lot, expecting the team to gel isn't.
I would say not just young, but not very talented either.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
"Legit" point.
One of, or both of the young quarterbacks will be better than Miles.
As for running backs, I'm not sure. Gaskin might be good if they choose to play him.
I just am not resigned to a 6-6 or 7-5 season right now.
CHRIST. Really looking forward to exhibition season #12 in a row.
So fucking young.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Fucking this. They've been young since 2003. Every god damn year most teams take a hit at a position group. It's not like they have bad talent.They didn't have bad talent in 2009 He had his transition year. While expecting a RB is asking a lot, expecting the team to gel isn't.
I would say not just young, but not very talented either.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
Poking at the talent on offense is fair, it looked like crap, but I don't believe Miles is the best QB on the team. This whole year smacks of being a series of teachable moments to the team, part of "the process". Some big names got flushed along the way, and it just felt like the point was to get through to the players, especially those Peterman recruited. Peterman is changing the culture. Expectations are being established and consequences are being doled out.
Point is I wouldn't be surprised to see some young talent step up this year and replace more senior players who may not be getting it. Re: Miles, I'm guessing he either shows some miraculous improvement or is replaced, maybe even before the first game. Peterman started Kellen Moore as a redshirt frosh, it wouldn't shock me to see him do the same this year with KJ Vowels and to see a huge jump up in performance at that position.
The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl Petersen year 2: ???????????????
--------
So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
Great poast.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl Petersen year 2: ???????????????
--------
So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
Great poast.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
2016 WILL BE SPECIAL!!!!111!!!!
Solid post, and I couldn't agree more on the QB. Amazing, and totally surprising, in a bad way.
The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
Fair point. I guess that's the best comp as Dinardo was a zoo and proceeded by a top 5 coach all-time. The rest are blue-bood programs and Oregon, not a fair comparison to Washingtons situation.
Oregon while not a blue blood, was at least competently coached by an adult and had massive AD/Nike$ committment to football for nearly 10 years prior to Kelly.
Comments
Their historical problem has been more tied to terrible coaching hires during the 90s than it has been player talent.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
Defense: Mathis/Qualls, Feeney (can he get consistency - all PAC performer if he can), Budda, Sidney Jones
It's not a huge list. Will need a lot of players to flash and grow into next year. The key next year will be watching how many lumps this team takes and how they learn/grow from it.
cbssports.com/collegefootball/stats/playersort/NCAAF/TE
Washington - Has potential, but also struggles to move the chains. In the Pac 12, there are a lot of backs I would rather have. Oregon - Tyner, Freeman ASU - Foster, probably Richard too UCLA - Perkins USC - Madden. I'm sure they have another too. A couple other are about equal like Wilson from Arizona. McCaffrey from Stanford is going to be good too, but he's kind of a hybrid WR/RB. Anyways, Washington is league average at best right now, but his big play ability is enticing.
Perkins - I like Perkins. He's not really a difference maker though. On a good offense, he's a solid complementary piece. Daniels has potential but hasn't done much to this point.
I will add Pettis to this list, but he fits the young guy who has flashed profile.
Mathis/Qualls - Both guys could be good, but they are unproven. They have flashed, but not against good teams. They have a lot to prove this season that they can handle being the guys on the DL. They are guys to keep an eye on, but nobody knows if they are good or merely average at this point.
Feeney - You nailed it with consistency. He hasn't shown that yet.
Budda - Love him and he should be a stud. He did get burned too often though.
Jones - Same as Budda. He needs to show he can do it as the #1 CB without a great pass rush.
Ross - Great kick returner. Maybe even the best in the country. He has the talent to be All Conference on either side of the ball.
New lines, an unproven and shitty QB, and very few potential all conference guys. The lines need time to mature, the QB likely will as well, and the other best players are mostly underclassmen or entering their first year as starters.
Petersen isn't going to work miracles. His teams at Boise were really, really good with a lot of talent. His entire DL that went to the NFL. The offense had Moore, Martin, Pettis, and Young.
Petersen has proven to know how to evaluate talent and run a disciplined program. The offensive genius label seems to be bullshit. He doesn't seem like the most flexible coach either. He's going to run his shit that he wants to run and run his program his way. We have all waited long enough, but this is going to take awhile.
One of, or both of the young quarterbacks will be better than Miles.
As for running backs, I'm not sure. Gaskin might be good if they choose to play him.
I just am not resigned to a 6-6 or 7-5 season right now.
Point is I wouldn't be surprised to see some young talent step up this year and replace more senior players who may not be getting it. Re: Miles, I'm guessing he either shows some miraculous improvement or is replaced, maybe even before the first game. Peterman started Kellen Moore as a redshirt frosh, it wouldn't shock me to see him do the same this year with KJ Vowels and to see a huge jump up in performance at that position.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
2016 WILL BE SPECIAL!!!!111!!!!
Even Rick took over a dumpster fire here and won the Rose Bowl in year 2.
We need to see real results this year and a North division title year 3 or we have the wrong guy
Again
Oregon while not a blue blood, was at least competently coached by an adult and had massive AD/Nike$ committment to football for nearly 10 years prior to Kelly.
QB: Magna Carta
LT: McGary
SS: Zeke Turner