Why We Are Average and the Importance of Attrition
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If you have time, it would be great if you could cover Peterman's whole tenure. I'd be willing to bet the Kellen Moore years are abnormally low.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:We will do Boise tomorrow and post the results. I'm actually interested to see if they had more attrition since their last 2 teams haven't been so good. Should be interesting, or not.
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We will try to do that. But it will be hard because it is hard to search for players that might have left the program in 2008 or whatever. But we will for sure try because I think it could be important. I want to try to atleast start with their 2006 or 2007 class.pawz said:
If you have time, it would be great if you could cover Peterman's whole tenure. I'd be willing to bet the Kellen Moore years are abnormally low.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:We will do Boise tomorrow and post the results. I'm actually interested to see if they had more attrition since their last 2 teams haven't been so good. Should be interesting, or not.
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You say your team is average, but you believe you can win ten games. An average team will win 6-8. Therefore, if you win ten games then you are an very good team.
Btw, we played a Freshmen and walk ons during the O line decimation time It's a matter of coaching as much as the talent of the players. You know that. -
10 wins = 6-3 conference record in a crappy conference. Maybe that's above average.
I'm not saying young players can't play good, the poont of the article is that tons of recruiting misses hurts your program.
And I do agree that coaching is crucial, I am sure there are some teams who don't experience much attrition that suck because their coaches can't coach. -
Yeah I'm a little retarded so I had to come read the comments before I could understand the charts. Interesting article.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:All good poonts Tequilla, to your first poont I should have changed it to "Left Early" or something, that's my bad!
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I feel like someone already did this and BSU had pretty low attrition ratesHeretoBeatmyChest said:It would be interesting to check attrition for Boise State while Petersen was there. I bet Stanford is low but I'd best Boise St is even lower.
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It feels like some guys at Stanford have been there for 6 or 7 years.HFNY said:Good chit. One would have to think Stanford (two-time defending Pac-12 champ) has had even lower attrition rates.
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We entered the 2001 Rose Bowl a bit nervous because we had two freshmen and a sophomore starting against Drew Brees. But great coaching and scheme were enough that our secondary did just fine.
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Oregon has actually done a great job doing due diligence on their players starting with recruiting. I trumpeted the fact that Oregon has gotten 100% of their committed recruits into school for five straight years, and got some flack for it, but that factoid is related to what Cokehead is putting forth here. A recruiting class of 21 where every one gets into school and participates in practice and camp is better than a class of 24 where a few don't get in. Even if the class of 24, if only two or three don't make it, but one of those two or three was at a position of need... you're fucked, you're moving guys around to fill holes, and you have to work that much harder to maintain continuity among the various position groups.
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Nowhere else on planet earth can a guy find such in depth analysis on Husky football than here at Hardcore Husky.
Obvious pandering toward KOMO is noted (pm to Derek, I hope you have an iron clad contract with cokegreaterthanpepsi or we may be hearing him trade barbs with Damon Huard on the radio soon) -
I am awesoming this post because I think YOU are awesome, not the post. Cyber?Mad_Son said:
I awesome'd this post in lieu of the original so "Hardcore_Husky" doesn't steal your rating. I am interested in what this post has to offer but I don't actually think it is awesome.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:We will do Boise tomorrow and post the results. I'm actually interested to see if they had more attrition since their last 2 teams haven't been so good. Should be interesting, or not.
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To bring it to point, the Ducks played those two because Rowland, Euscher and Prater had to retire because of injury and the sum of our 2012 offensive line class is one of our starting DEs. If Euscher is still there, the Ducks probably don't lose Arizona. And Crosby is in a position to be really, really good as a senior in 2018, as opposed to really good as a senior in 2017.Fenwick said:
Btw, we played a Freshmen and walk ons during the O line decimation time It's a matter of coaching as much as the talent of the players. You know that.
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I read it. I liked it. Sark sucks.
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Will we get to hear him go Woo-Yoo! when the Huskies get a 12-yard gain?sarktastic said:Nowhere else on planet earth can a guy find such in depth analysis on Husky football than here at Hardcore Husky.
Obvious pandering toward KOMO is noted (pm to Derek, I hope you have an iron clad contract with cokegreaterthanpepsi or we may be hearing him trade barbs with Damon Huard on the radio soon) -
So... when the call comes from his agent you're gonna just let him walk?
1. Derek runs a sweatshop
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2. Derek is looking for FREE PUB for the depth of his writing tree. -
Both cases show an abundance of MONEY GRAB.sarktastic said:So... when the call comes from his agent you're gonna just let him walk?
1. Derek runs a sweatshop
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Now that Hardcore Husky has hit the Big Time it's gonna be interesting to see how Derek manages the cap.
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The fact that we haven't had any fund drives recently speaks volumes.
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I am paid in Cheetos.
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Actually, they're Cheesy Puffs.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I am paid in Cheetos.
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Stay tuned.Swaye said:The fact that we haven't had any fund drives recently speaks volumes.
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DAMNITDerekJohnson said:
Actually, they're Cheesy Puffs.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I am paid in Cheetos.
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I think we had 3 freshman CB's that got playing time and Carothers was a true freshman at safety. Jimmy Newell also got a little time rotating in at safety and on special teams. Massey was a r-fr, Johnson a true freshman, and Roc Alexander was also a true freshman. They all played well that season. Unfortunately, those guys didn't get much better from their freshman years.DerekJohnson said:We entered the 2001 Rose Bowl a bit nervous because we had two freshmen and a sophomore starting against Drew Brees. But great coaching and scheme were enough that our secondary did just fine.
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Damon needs to go.DerekJohnson said:
Will we get to hear him go Woo-Yoo! when the Huskies get a 12-yard gain?sarktastic said:Nowhere else on planet earth can a guy find such in depth analysis on Husky football than here at Hardcore Husky.
Obvious pandering toward KOMO is noted (pm to Derek, I hope you have an iron clad contract with cokegreaterthanpepsi or we may be hearing him trade barbs with Damon Huard on the radio soon) -
I still think Petersen has a shot at 6-3 in conference. 5-4 is the most likely outcome though.
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Queue the idiots then that say Sark >>> PetersenCuntWaffle said:I still think Petersen has a shot at 6-3 in conference. 5-4 is the most likely outcome though.
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Good chit, cokeboat, looking forward to you & the missus compiling the rest of the numbers.
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I stand corrected.RoadDawg55 said:
I think we had 3 freshman CB's that got playing time and Carothers was a true freshman at safety. Jimmy Newell also got a little time rotating in at safety and on special teams. Massey was a r-fr, Johnson a true freshman, and Roc Alexander was also a true freshman. They all played well that season. Unfortunately, those guys didn't get much better from their freshman years.DerekJohnson said:We entered the 2001 Rose Bowl a bit nervous because we had two freshmen and a sophomore starting against Drew Brees. But great coaching and scheme were enough that our secondary did just fine.
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Huh? You know TSIO when a previously to be determined conference game in November is scheduled for 10am Saturday.RoadDawg55 said:Good stuff. The attrition and lack of redshirts has hurt the program. Sample, Ducre, Kevin Smith, Pio V, etc. Those guys would really help. That is one thing that excites me about Petersen. I don't think Sark cared about the bottom half of his recruiting classes. Petersen does and he really delves into their character, which hopefully leads to less attrition.
I do disagree with some of the article. This team has talent, but it is lacking it at the most important spot, QB. The RB's are pretty bad too. Talent was only one of the reasons we got plungered by Oregon. As I have stated many times, less talented teams than UW's played tough against Oregon. Arizona even beat them. Jake Fisher returning obviously has been a major boon. However, he was not a 25 point difference.
Nobody expected a great team, just a good one that wins 10 games. Let's not move the goalposts now. The fact that we have flaws and youth/talent deficiencies in places shouldn't be news. It was known all along. 10 wins is still feasible and I think there is enough talent to do that. It won't be easy, but if we don't, I certainly won't blame it all on a lack of talent.
5 stars is a good start. If you asked Greenblood or another logical Duck fan, I doubt they would name more than 5 guys who are stars. I suppose who those star players are also matters. I would trade 3 of our stars for Mariota. I don't blame it all on Petersen, but change can be tough. Some guys have taken to it and gotten better. Danny Shelton, Shaq, and John Ross are examples. Others guys have not. Timu and Feeney haven't gotten any better, and are possibly worse. The OL looks no better than it did last year. Up to this point, I can't say we are over achieving with the talent we have, and we are possibly under achieving. There is still a lot of season left though. -
If all goes right..... Great qualifier as always. Things will get better or worse. Depending on how things go.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I still think this team can win 9 or 10 games if all goes right. But I also don't think there is much talent on this team.
