This truly is a Chris Petersen team
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If UW could be like WSU, cal or colorado and "sling the ball around 60 times", they would. And with their defense they would be ranked in the top 10.RoadDawg55 said:
We could be like WSU, Cal, or Colorado and sling the ball around 60 times and rank a lot higher. I don't think you are totally wrong, but it's not all bad with the offense. Ideally, the offense would be better. The offense is run heavy and they take care of the ball. We also have a great kick returner and a defense that forces turnovers. LIPO, but Aubbie's post is spot on as of right now.MikeDamone said:
UW is sitting 10th in total offense in the conference. This, despite playing 5 dreadful defenses. I'm not quite ready to say they are solid.dnc said:
They aren't a good offense by any means, but solid is pretty close to fair. Not turning the ball over goes a long way for me. Cal might be "the worst defense in the league" but they're a lot closer to a normal defense in this league than Stanford is. I agree it's possible we lose 3 or 4 more conference games but I don't agree it's just as likely as winning 6. This staff has already proven they address weaknesses and coach their guys up, I see no reason to think that won't continue.MikeDamone said:
Reminds me of the year sark was going to win 10 games because the last three wins were (assumed).Tequilla said:The point Damone is that when you throw in Colorado, the Arizona schools, Washington St, and as Road Dawg pointed out UCLA, win those games and you are already up to 6 conference wins. Only Oregon (which has a swiss cheese front line of the defense) and Oregon St (who we gashed badly last year on the ground) remain.
Point being is that while I'm certainly not suggesting a full fledge dooging that says that we're going to win out, the number of quality defenses left on our schedule can be EASILY counted on one hand.
Also, at this point, it appears to be clear that Stanford and UW play defense in this conference. For everybody else, it's optional.
So you're on record saying this is a good offense? As bad as cal is on defense, UW still couldn't score a touchdown in the last 30 minutes of the games..and yes, they were trying to.
This team could lose 3-4 more conference games just as EASILY as your scenario of winning 6. The offense needs to improve. Saying they are solid, which the original post suggested, isn't a fact.
Auburns post is always spot on because he changes it every week. -
Then why didn't Boise State do that when they had Kellen Moore?MikeDamone said:
If UW could be like WSU, cal or colorado and "sling the ball around 60 times", they would. And with their defense they would be ranked in the top 10.RoadDawg55 said:
We could be like WSU, Cal, or Colorado and sling the ball around 60 times and rank a lot higher. I don't think you are totally wrong, but it's not all bad with the offense. Ideally, the offense would be better. The offense is run heavy and they take care of the ball. We also have a great kick returner and a defense that forces turnovers. LIPO, but Aubbie's post is spot on as of right now.MikeDamone said:
UW is sitting 10th in total offense in the conference. This, despite playing 5 dreadful defenses. I'm not quite ready to say they are solid.dnc said:
They aren't a good offense by any means, but solid is pretty close to fair. Not turning the ball over goes a long way for me. Cal might be "the worst defense in the league" but they're a lot closer to a normal defense in this league than Stanford is. I agree it's possible we lose 3 or 4 more conference games but I don't agree it's just as likely as winning 6. This staff has already proven they address weaknesses and coach their guys up, I see no reason to think that won't continue.MikeDamone said:
Reminds me of the year sark was going to win 10 games because the last three wins were (assumed).Tequilla said:The point Damone is that when you throw in Colorado, the Arizona schools, Washington St, and as Road Dawg pointed out UCLA, win those games and you are already up to 6 conference wins. Only Oregon (which has a swiss cheese front line of the defense) and Oregon St (who we gashed badly last year on the ground) remain.
Point being is that while I'm certainly not suggesting a full fledge dooging that says that we're going to win out, the number of quality defenses left on our schedule can be EASILY counted on one hand.
Also, at this point, it appears to be clear that Stanford and UW play defense in this conference. For everybody else, it's optional.
So you're on record saying this is a good offense? As bad as cal is on defense, UW still couldn't score a touchdown in the last 30 minutes of the games..and yes, they were trying to.
This team could lose 3-4 more conference games just as EASILY as your scenario of winning 6. The offense needs to improve. Saying they are solid, which the original post suggested, isn't a fact.
Auburns post is always spot on because he changes it every week. -
The problem is the O line needs to step the fuck up and a runningback needs to show up and charge through Duck cunt this weekend, and not relinquish the fucking job.
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This team is as close to being a Chris Petersen team as any team coached/recruited by Sark for 4 years and Petersen for 1 year can be.
I still think we are going 10-3. We might get there by relying too much on an opportunistic defense, but I think we will get there. I think we are much better than we were in August in Honolulu, and we are continuing to improve. -
At this point, I think the defense has a higher upside than the offense for the rest of this year at least. Shutting down Cal was a big deal, IMO.
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RoadDawg55 said:
Then why didn't Boise State do that when they had Kellen Moore?MikeDamone said:
If UW could be like WSU, cal or colorado and "sling the ball around 60 times", they would. And with their defense they would be ranked in the top 10.RoadDawg55 said:
We could be like WSU, Cal, or Colorado and sling the ball around 60 times and rank a lot higher. I don't think you are totally wrong, but it's not all bad with the offense. Ideally, the offense would be better. The offense is run heavy and they take care of the ball. We also have a great kick returner and a defense that forces turnovers. LIPO, but Aubbie's post is spot on as of right now.MikeDamone said:
UW is sitting 10th in total offense in the conference. This, despite playing 5 dreadful defenses. I'm not quite ready to say they are solid.dnc said:
They aren't a good offense by any means, but solid is pretty close to fair. Not turning the ball over goes a long way for me. Cal might be "the worst defense in the league" but they're a lot closer to a normal defense in this league than Stanford is. I agree it's possible we lose 3 or 4 more conference games but I don't agree it's just as likely as winning 6. This staff has already proven they address weaknesses and coach their guys up, I see no reason to think that won't continue.MikeDamone said:
Reminds me of the year sark was going to win 10 games because the last three wins were (assumed).Tequilla said:The point Damone is that when you throw in Colorado, the Arizona schools, Washington St, and as Road Dawg pointed out UCLA, win those games and you are already up to 6 conference wins. Only Oregon (which has a swiss cheese front line of the defense) and Oregon St (who we gashed badly last year on the ground) remain.
Point being is that while I'm certainly not suggesting a full fledge dooging that says that we're going to win out, the number of quality defenses left on our schedule can be EASILY counted on one hand.
Also, at this point, it appears to be clear that Stanford and UW play defense in this conference. For everybody else, it's optional.
So you're on record saying this is a good offense? As bad as cal is on defense, UW still couldn't score a touchdown in the last 30 minutes of the games..and yes, they were trying to.
This team could lose 3-4 more conference games just as EASILY as your scenario of winning 6. The offense needs to improve. Saying they are solid, which the original post suggested, isn't a fact.
Auburns post is always spot on because he changes it every week.
If uw was as productive on offense as BSU in 2011, I would feel good about a playoff shot right now. They would be 6-0 with and favored this week.
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For the record:
Boise State Offense Quick Facts:
5th Nationally in Scoring in 2011 (44.2 Pts/Game)
2nd Nationally in Scoring in 2010 (45.1 Pts/Game)
1st Nationally in Scoring in 2009 (42.2 Pts/Game)
Nation’s Highest Scoring Team Since 2000 (41.9 Pts/Game)
#9 Nationally in Total Offense in 2011
#4 Nationally in Pass Efficiency in 2011
Allowed the Fewest Sacks in the Nation in 2009 and 2011
If we can approach these numbers, I will be happy with the offense.
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I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
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I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
The point is lack of offensive productivity will cost teams games. Defensive scoring can't be counted on to make up the difference over the long run -
Huh? You missed the point. At what point do the weekly defense/st score(s) not count as flukes?MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
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It's not a fluke, but if that's what a team is counting on to score enough to win week in and week out, they are not going to be successful more often than not. UW needed the defense to score at least twice vs stanford. They didn't.doogsinparadise said:
Huh? You missed the point. At what point do the weekly defense/st score(s) not count as flukes?MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
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Couple of other thoughts…
@haie I think the OL is better than we think. The backs combined for 26 for 116. Sankey would have run for 150+. There were some good holes and Cal's run defense was in the top half of the conference statistically (per carry not per game). I'm not expecting huge improvement from the backs but any improvement would be a huge bonus for this squad. Sankey would make this team a whole lot better.
When Cal scored Danny Shelton was out of the game and I think Shaq too. Had to rest them at somepoint. The offense sustaining drives will be critical when we play against the explosive offenses. -
TTJ said:
You keep saying this, as if it means something. UW has demonstrated a pretty consistent ability to create big plays with its defense and special teams. While Thompson's scoring binge has to regress to the mean at some point, there is no reason not to believe big plays will continue from those units. They're talented and well coached.MikeDamone said:The 35 point per game includes defensive scores.
******, you make a valid poont. Teheran Terry also make a valid poont.MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
The point is lack of offensive productivity will cost teams games. Defensive scoring can't be counted on to make up the difference over the long run
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Exactly, don't need to score 50 points and throw it all over the place, just sustain drives. That means winning on 3rd downHeretoBeatmyChest said:Couple of other thoughts…
@haie I think the OL is better than we think. The backs combined for 26 for 116. Sankey would have run for 150+. There were some good holes and Cal's run defense was in the top half of the conference statistically (per carry not per game). I'm not expecting huge improvement from the backs but any improvement would be a huge bonus for this squad. Sankey would make this team a whole lot better.
When Cal scored Danny Shelton was out of the game and I think Shaq too. Had to rest them at somepoint. The offense sustaining drives will be critical when we play against the explosive offenses. -
Stanford's defense is really good. I think you are reading too much into that game. The most they have given up is 17. Notre Dame, USC, and WSU all have offenses that have been doing well, but they all struggled against Stanford. Defense and winning the turnover battle wins games. UW doesn't face a good defense the rest of the year. To expect a repeat of the Stanford performance against lesser defenses is a stretch.MikeDamone said:
It's not a fluke, but if that's what a team is counting on to score enough to win week in and week out, they are not going to be successful more often than not. UW needed the defense to score at least twice vs stanford. They didn't.doogsinparadise said:
Huh? You missed the point. At what point do the weekly defense/st score(s) not count as flukes?MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
Stanford has won two straight Pac 12 titles without a great offense. It was marginally better than ours. I get where you are coming from, but you sound like a poster from doogman. -
LIPO. But I say the offense needs to improve to get to 9 or 10 wins. It's not as solid as aburndoog contends.pawz said:
******, you make a valid poont. Teheran Terry also make a valid poont.TTJ said:
You keep saying this, as if it means something. UW has demonstrated a pretty consistent ability to create big plays with its defense and special teams. While Thompson's scoring binge has to regress to the mean at some point, there is no reason not to believe big plays will continue from those units. They're talented and well coached.MikeDamone said:The 35 point per game includes defensive scores.
MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
The point is lack of offensive productivity will cost teams games. Defensive scoring can't be counted on to make up the difference over the long run
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Agree.MikeDamone said:
LIPO. But I say the offense needs to improve to get to 9 or 10 wins. It's not as solid as aburndoog contends.pawz said:
******, you make a valid poont. Teheran Terry also make a valid poont.TTJ said:
You keep saying this, as if it means something. UW has demonstrated a pretty consistent ability to create big plays with its defense and special teams. While Thompson's scoring binge has to regress to the mean at some point, there is no reason not to believe big plays will continue from those units. They're talented and well coached.MikeDamone said:The 35 point per game includes defensive scores.
MikeDamone said:
I like to pretend the offense scored more than 6 points against Stanford. I do that.doogsinparadise said:I like to pretend that points scored by the defense don't count on the SCOREBOARD!, I do that.
The point is lack of offensive productivity will cost teams games. Defensive scoring can't be counted on to make up the difference over the long run
Will you two fuck already?
Additionally, the offense gets half the credit for the nation-leading +14 turnover ratio. That's a huge plus that we haven't had around here in 20 fucking years and shouldn't go unnoticed. -
The backs need to start doing more with the opportunities they get. Washington doesn't have a good feel for the first down marker and Coleman could use a little more burst to go with his vision and moves. I like them both, but would like a top shelf running back who gets spelled by them a lot better.
This offense is short on big play guys. We don't have them at RB so it hurts that much more that we don't have them outside either (aside from Ross). The play action bomb to Ross isn't going to fool people very often at this point. -
Do you honestly believe when UW kicked a field goal in the second half, they weren't trying to score a touch down, but failed to move the ball? If the goal this year is to win 8 games and go to the Vegas bowl, then they are fine.TTJ said:
You keep saying this, as if it means something. UW has demonstrated a pretty consistent ability to create big plays with its defense and special teams. While Thompson's scoring binge has to regress to the mean at some point, there is no reason not to believe big plays will continue from those units. They're talented and well coached.MikeDamone said:The 35 point per game includes defensive scores.
With a 28-point halftime lead, Peterman played ball control in the second half. Do you honestly believe that, had UW needed more points after halftime, they couldn't get them?MikeDamone said:Cal might be the worst defensive UW will see all year and they were able to score 24 points.
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Our offense fucking sucks, there is no other truth.
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I'm going to firmly be in the camp of dooging it up for a lack of turnovers. I do that.PurpleReign said:Our offense fucking sucks, there is no other truth.
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Our defense will make your offense look good, but I don't think you will be able to keep up with us
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Like the Arizona gameAZDuck said:Our defense will make your offense look good, but I don't think you will be able to keep up with us
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That's what I expect. Maybe the UW defense will shock the world though and keeping up won't be a huge challenge for the offense. I don't expect it but I'll watch just in case.AZDuck said:Our defense will make your offense look good, but I don't think you will be able to keep up with us
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Point being is that while I'm certainly not suggesting a full fledge dooging that says that we're going to win out, the number of quality defenses left on our schedule can be EASILY counted on one finger.
I'll let Mick Dabone figure out which one.
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Only two teams in the PAC-12 play defense. We are one, and we already played the other.
Our offense is good enough in this league. -
Its refreshing 8 wins isn't the goal anymore. It was Siete's ceiling. -
The defense is decent, but it has a ways to go.
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The first part is true, the second part remains to be seenAuburndawg said:Only two teams in the PAC-12 play defense. We are one, and we already played the other.
Our offense is good enough in this league. -
this thread needs to be pinned as an example of why we actually do have intelligent football discourse here. Seriously, this is a great thread...and classy.
