Defensive Stop Rates

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

Canadawg said:

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

Completely agree. ZTF and Goforth did that pretty well against Williams in space. Accept that they're going to get a few yards but don't miss and give up 15

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

RaceBannon said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Bullies don't care bro

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

I responded to the part that was clearly responding to what I said. Why is that interesting?

I was commenting on multiple points made by multiple people but you made it about you. At least that’s how I’m seeing it. People are interesting, don’t you think?

whlinder said:

dflea said:

I started watching the game last Saturday and watching the defense miss 127 tackles in the first half made me so fucking crazy, that I left the room and went down to the garage to replace the starter on my truck. I was down there fucking around with that starter for way longer than I thought I would be, the whole time festering about the game.

After I was finished with the starter, I sat back down to watch the rest of the game fully expecting to be irate and depressed at the end - and when Alf left the ball just sitting on the one yard line, I just about lost my shit. The defense got their shit together, though, and wound up doing what they needed to do to win the game.

I couldn't help thinking how badly would could have destroyed UT if we just tackled in the first half. But we didn't - and who gives a fuck about the first half if you do what needs to be done in the second half? Win the war, not the battle.

We've won the wars. Time to stop gweebing about the battles because you won't win them all. Coach has these guys believing they're built for this, and their 10-0 record seems to back him up. They believe more than I do - and that's completely opposite of what's been going on for the last 30 fucking years.

I'll take it.

You know, I don't think we've noted how spectacular it is that after the emotion of the Pick-6 fumble - awesome play, sure TD, everyone celebrating, then being "oh shit, he didn't score, WTF, you fucking moron, all the expletives", a shocking turnaround which kept Utah in the game basically, that the defense was mentally tough enough to destroy Utah's line on the very next play to get the safety and the ball back.

While it was self inflicted, when shit doesn't go their way, so many amazing athletes melt down and fold.

Maybe Utah's line was tired from running down the field, but whatever, our boys rose up and won the next play. When the margins get tight, that's the kind of mentality that separates the winners from the losers.