Defensive Stop Rates

Canadawg

dnc said:

Kingdome_Urinals said:

Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.

The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.

The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers.

Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.

Besides for the early games that had garbage time here are the 4th quarter points allowed:

Arizona 3
Oregon 7
ASU 0
Stanford 7
USC 0
Utah 0

The insurance salesman has tought this team how to close

phineas

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

RaceBannon

Canadawg said:

dnc said:

Kingdome_Urinals said:

Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.

The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.

The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers.

Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.

Besides for the early games that had garbage time here are the 4th quarter points allowed:

Arizona 3
Oregon 7
ASU 0
Stanford 7
USC 0
Utah 0

The insurance salesman has tought this team how to close

Some might call that a trend

Canadawg

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

Completely agree. ZTF and Goforth did that pretty well against Williams in space. Accept that they're going to get a few yards but don't miss and give up 15

PostGameOrangeSlices

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

Watching Jackson, he’s either lacking speed or athleticism or both. He gives way too much cushion and when he comes up to make a tackle he looks like a fucking retard and he can’t break down to get solid contact.

Banks was a big injury for this SKWAAD

PostGameOrangeSlices

Canadawg said:

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

Completely agree. ZTF and Goforth did that pretty well against Williams in space. Accept that they're going to get a few yards but don't miss and give up 15

Goforth got shook out of his shoes about 10 times in the 1st half against Utah

Didn't notice in the 2nd half but I'm assuming he wasn't in the rotation much.

dnc

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

dirtysouwfdawg

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

RaceBannon

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Bullies don't care bro

dirtysouwfdawg

RaceBannon said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Bullies don't care bro

Truer words have never been spoken, pal.

dnc

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

dirtysouwfdawg

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

dflea

I started watching the game last Saturday and watching the defense miss 127 tackles in the first half made me so fucking crazy, that I left the room and went down to the garage to replace the starter on my truck. I was down there fucking around with that starter for way longer than I thought I would be, the whole time festering about the game.

After I was finished with the starter, I sat back down to watch the rest of the game fully expecting to be irate and depressed at the end - and when Alf left the ball just sitting on the one yard line, I just about lost my shit. The defense got their shit together, though, and wound up doing what they needed to do to win the game.

I couldn't help thinking how badly would could have destroyed UT if we just tackled in the first half. But we didn't - and who gives a fuck about the first half if you do what needs to be done in the second half? Win the war, not the battle.

We've won the wars. Time to stop gweebing about the battles because you won't win them all. Coach has these guys believing they're built for this, and their 10-0 record seems to back him up. They believe more than I do - and that's completely opposite of what's been going on for the last 30 fucking years.

I'll take it.

dnc

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

I responded to the part that was clearly responding to what I said. Why is that interesting?

dirtysouwfdawg

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

I responded to the part that was clearly responding to what I said. Why is that interesting?

I was commenting on multiple points made by multiple people but you made it about you. At least that’s how I’m seeing it. People are interesting, don’t you think?

dnc

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

I responded to the part that was clearly responding to what I said. Why is that interesting?

I was commenting on multiple points made by multiple people but you made it about you. At least that’s how I’m seeing it. People are interesting, don’t you think?

HairyBallsDawg

Our D is inconsistent but we held Oregon to their lowest points scored this season so I think the guys show up when it matters most. And the D saved us in the ASU game.

Some of the missed tackles are hard to watch though.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

BBK would get trucked 81% of the time but always brought the guy down. I never thought I’d miss that.

1to392831weretaken

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

BBK would get trucked 81% of the time but always brought the guy down. I never thought I’d miss that.

Got trucked a lot less freshman and senior years than the middle two. I almost brought him up in this thread earlier but was too lazy. For those that bashed BBK when he was here, the line to apologize forms to the left. Modern CFB is all about fast linebackers that can cover a lot of ground.

And BBK doesn't drop the fucking ball on the two...

whlinder

dflea said:

I started watching the game last Saturday and watching the defense miss 127 tackles in the first half made me so fucking crazy, that I left the room and went down to the garage to replace the starter on my truck. I was down there fucking around with that starter for way longer than I thought I would be, the whole time festering about the game.

After I was finished with the starter, I sat back down to watch the rest of the game fully expecting to be irate and depressed at the end - and when Alf left the ball just sitting on the one yard line, I just about lost my shit. The defense got their shit together, though, and wound up doing what they needed to do to win the game.

I couldn't help thinking how badly would could have destroyed UT if we just tackled in the first half. But we didn't - and who gives a fuck about the first half if you do what needs to be done in the second half? Win the war, not the battle.

We've won the wars. Time to stop gweebing about the battles because you won't win them all. Coach has these guys believing they're built for this, and their 10-0 record seems to back him up. They believe more than I do - and that's completely opposite of what's been going on for the last 30 fucking years.

I'll take it.

You know, I don't think we've noted how spectacular it is that after the emotion of the Pick-6 fumble - awesome play, sure TD, everyone celebrating, then being "oh shit, he didn't score, WTF, you fucking moron, all the expletives", a shocking turnaround which kept Utah in the game basically, that the defense was mentally tough enough to destroy Utah's line on the very next play to get the safety and the ball back.

While it was self inflicted, when shit doesn't go their way, so many amazing athletes melt down and fold.

Maybe Utah's line was tired from running down the field, but whatever, our boys rose up and won the next play. When the margins get tight, that's the kind of mentality that separates the winners from the losers.

GrundleStiltzkin

1to392831weretaken said:

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

phineas said:

Canadawg said:

If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at

it seems to me like they are in position a lot of the time, they just over commit in the open field or get shook and dragged inside. i can live with guys getting bulldozed. guys completely missing in space 90% of the time though is too much

BBK would get trucked 81% of the time but always brought the guy down. I never thought I’d miss that.

Got trucked a lot less freshman and senior years than the middle two. I almost brought him up in this thread earlier but was too lazy. For those that bashed BBK when he was here, the line to apologize forms to the left. Modern CFB is all about fast linebackers that can cover a lot of ground.

And BBK doesn't drop the fucking ball on the two...

BBK alone would be a huge upgrade to the defense. Huge, I say.

EsophagealFeces

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

dnc said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

I don’t think this defense is “average”.

All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.

Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.

I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.

The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…

Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something.

Nobody said you can't expect to be better. I said what you're seeing now is average for the current game. Of course we could do better than average. But if we did have an above average defense most of the old heads here would call it average. If we had a great defense most of us? would call it above average. If we had an ELITE defense most of us would call it very good.

We just don't understand how bad the average defense is these days.

Not sure what made you think I was responding to you.

Because I'm the one who said the game has changed and you said "Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected?"

And another part was from doopdawg and skip and just about every other single comment in this thread.

I find it interesting how you did that.

I responded to the part that was clearly responding to what I said. Why is that interesting?

I was commenting on multiple points made by multiple people but you made it about you. At least that’s how I’m seeing it. People are interesting, don’t you think?

We’ve got a good football thread here. Don’t fuck it up being gay about DNC responding to your post.

dnc

whlinder said:

dflea said:

I started watching the game last Saturday and watching the defense miss 127 tackles in the first half made me so fucking crazy, that I left the room and went down to the garage to replace the starter on my truck. I was down there fucking around with that starter for way longer than I thought I would be, the whole time festering about the game.

After I was finished with the starter, I sat back down to watch the rest of the game fully expecting to be irate and depressed at the end - and when Alf left the ball just sitting on the one yard line, I just about lost my shit. The defense got their shit together, though, and wound up doing what they needed to do to win the game.

I couldn't help thinking how badly would could have destroyed UT if we just tackled in the first half. But we didn't - and who gives a fuck about the first half if you do what needs to be done in the second half? Win the war, not the battle.

We've won the wars. Time to stop gweebing about the battles because you won't win them all. Coach has these guys believing they're built for this, and their 10-0 record seems to back him up. They believe more than I do - and that's completely opposite of what's been going on for the last 30 fucking years.

I'll take it.

You know, I don't think we've noted how spectacular it is that after the emotion of the Pick-6 fumble - awesome play, sure TD, everyone celebrating, then being "oh shit, he didn't score, WTF, you fucking moron, all the expletives", a shocking turnaround which kept Utah in the game basically, that the defense was mentally tough enough to destroy Utah's line on the very next play to get the safety and the ball back.

While it was self inflicted, when shit doesn't go their way, so many amazing athletes melt down and fold.

Maybe Utah's line was tired from running down the field, but whatever, our boys rose up and won the next play. When the margins get tight, that's the kind of mentality that separates the winners from the losers.

Excellent post and I agree 100%. I'm sure we? were all expecting a 98 yard death drive right there. I know I was. I'm not sure there has ever been a bigger safety in UW history from a momentum standpoint.

Canadawg

whlinder said:

dflea said:

I started watching the game last Saturday and watching the defense miss 127 tackles in the first half made me so fucking crazy, that I left the room and went down to the garage to replace the starter on my truck. I was down there fucking around with that starter for way longer than I thought I would be, the whole time festering about the game.

After I was finished with the starter, I sat back down to watch the rest of the game fully expecting to be irate and depressed at the end - and when Alf left the ball just sitting on the one yard line, I just about lost my shit. The defense got their shit together, though, and wound up doing what they needed to do to win the game.

I couldn't help thinking how badly would could have destroyed UT if we just tackled in the first half. But we didn't - and who gives a fuck about the first half if you do what needs to be done in the second half? Win the war, not the battle.

We've won the wars. Time to stop gweebing about the battles because you won't win them all. Coach has these guys believing they're built for this, and their 10-0 record seems to back him up. They believe more than I do - and that's completely opposite of what's been going on for the last 30 fucking years.

I'll take it.

You know, I don't think we've noted how spectacular it is that after the emotion of the Pick-6 fumble - awesome play, sure TD, everyone celebrating, then being "oh shit, he didn't score, WTF, you fucking moron, all the expletives", a shocking turnaround which kept Utah in the game basically, that the defense was mentally tough enough to destroy Utah's line on the very next play to get the safety and the ball back.

While it was self inflicted, when shit doesn't go their way, so many amazing athletes melt down and fold.

Maybe Utah's line was tired from running down the field, but whatever, our boys rose up and won the next play. When the margins get tight, that's the kind of mentality that separates the winners from the losers.

10 seconds of game time. I went from ecstasy on the pick to needing a time out from the board after the fumble then back to husky arrogance on the safety

Based on the interviews this week I 100% believe the defense cares about eachother and made that play with a "do it for the phonzer" mentality