Defensive Stop Rates
Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/
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Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West
When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down
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This is a good pointRaceBannon said:Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West
When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down
In fact it was Petersen versus Shaw that killed me
Petersen and Kwat can't get off the field on 3rd down in the later 3rd and 4th quarters. How many times did we see Stanford and Oregon march down and burn up insane amounts of clock?
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I told Mrs Nacho at the beginning of the USC game that we? only needed 2 more stops than USC got and we did, 5 stops to 3.TheHB said:
Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/ -
That’s the reality with this offense, if the defense can get more stops than the other team, we win. Their ability to score touchdowns instead of field goals and score quickly at the end of halves makes us damn near impossible to beat if the defense wins the stop battleCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
I told Mrs Nacho at the beginning of the USC game that we? only needed 2 more stops than USC got and we did, 5 stops to 3.TheHB said:
Not great, but not as poor as many probably think. Defensive stop rate is “the percentage of a defense’s drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
https://theathletic.com/5063581/2023/11/14/college-football-stop-rate-defense-rankings-usc/ -
This defense is insanely inconsistent, but they are consistent in making plays when they need to. The ASU game was exhibit A. They seemed to play the whole game on the field and did not give up too much and were able to score
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“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.
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I tend to agree. Seems like you can find an analytic to support pretty much anything you want.MikeSeaver said:“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.
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I can confirm. IRL I live and die by the ANALytics and you can always find a way to be #1 in something.TheHB said:
I tend to agree. Seems like you can find an analytic to support pretty much anything you want.MikeSeaver said:“ This simple metric can offer a more accurate reflection of a defense’s effectiveness in today’s faster-tempo college football than yards per game or points per game.”
Yeah but almost all of those teams suck.
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Nothing beats having a 99% win probability until you don't
I mean if you have the lead in the 4th quarter you have a pretty good chance to win if you don't blow it - Ron Fairly -
This sounds like a snippet from a group text between me, Woolley and Joey when we're kvetching about opposing third string QBsRaceBannon said:Perception trumps reality. Something I have noticed since my nerves were shot and I started going Jerry West
When watching live with everything on the line it really does seem like Opponent is 22 out of 23 on third down
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I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.
We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.
If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.
I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years. -
The good news is Oregon State’s defense isn’t good either. They force a lot more turnovers than we do, but if we can avoid those we should be fine. More concerned with their offense of fast midget receivers and bully running backs.
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I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.DoogDawg said:I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.
We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.
If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.
I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years. -
It's below average historically but not below average for 2023.SkipBoyd said:
I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.DoogDawg said:I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.
We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.
If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.
I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.
The game has changed, all of the rules favor the offense. Dominating defense isn't really a thing unless you're in the B1G where the offenses are stuck in 1985.
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Yep. Which is why the top four teams in this particular metric are all B1G teams.dnc said:
It's below average historically but not below average for 2023.SkipBoyd said:
I'd say they are solidly below average. There is rarely any push on the pocket and when there is the ends are outrun; line backers are out of position and slow (watch how many times a back passes one of them and they reach one arm out like an injun trying to count coup); the defensive backfield shows some promise but most of the time they are out of position and couldn't tackle their own grandmothers (who are 32 years old, by the way) in a phone booth; and E. Jackson.DoogDawg said:I think most would agree that our defense isn't bad, it's just not good. It's just average...and that isn't good enough.
We put up with it because we have an elite offense and are riding a 17 game win streak. The D also shows streaks of being good- but then has like 12 missed tackles on a simple bubble screen.
If our offense wasn't so good, our D would've lost us like four or five games this year alone and then we'd be wanting to tarmac the entire D staff.
I'm good going in a new direction on D in the off-season. The D staff isn't elite and will hold us back in future years.
The game has changed, all of the rules favor the offense. Dominating defense isn't really a thing unless you're in the B1G where the offenses are stuck in 1985.
It *feels* like a below average defense because we(?)re old. -
If they could just look less pathetic tackling the ball carrier 3-6 times a game I would be relatively ok with where the defence is at
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Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
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Having Tuli back will solve some interior issues. Healthiest the team has been since Michigan State?
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I'd say so if KamFabs ankle finally stops bothering him. Even if we don't put it all together like us fans want we can still beat Oregon State. We really want a statement game, 4th quarter where the game really isn't in question.Canadawg said:Having Tuli back will solve some interior issues. Healthiest the team has been since Michigan State?
I think we are comfortable knowing we could probably beat Washington State by just pulverizing them with DJ and crew on the ground.
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Dingdong looked surprisingly fast running that pick (almost 6) down the sideline. I was impressed right up to where he crossed the 2 yard line.Kingdome_Urinals said:Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers.
The linebackers are just like the safeties in terms of pursuit angles...they don't use or understand them somehow...and it makes them look slow as they wave or dive at the feet of ball carriers blowing by them.
@backthepack says they're good so there must be some metrics supporting that, but they don't pass the eye test for me. Bruener makes some good hits, but he doesn't always show up. Tupetala and Ulo take too many bad angles and let guys get past them too often. -
Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.Kingdome_Urinals said:Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers. -
It's also worth mention that's even with the injuries and usual in season attrition last year, the defense got better. I know dropped pass helped twice but holding Texas under 20 was an impressive feat for a defense that was rightfully maligned for most of the season.dnc said:
Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.Kingdome_Urinals said:Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers.
The liberal rotation pays off in multiple ways. One of those is that the reserves you end up needing late in the season have been getting regular game reps all season. -
Defense was ass vs Stanford, Utah and USC. Otherwise it's been fine minus whoever is opposite Mohamed.
It's a free big play if you can get a 1 on 1 tackling situation on the outside vs Jackson more often than not.
Lots of jags on d but Tuli, ulifosio, Mohammed, trice and ztf are at times plus players. Even Powell is very solid and breuner flashes sometimes. The rest are a little jaggy. -
I don’t think this defense is “average”.
All I want to see is purple… or even a death row d type crew.
Since then has the game changed so much that it can’t be expected? Teams were running the RPO and the air-raid then.
I think it’s realistic to have a D that talks shit and smokes weed or pisses it’s self on the field.
The talent has to improve BUT I think the coaches are the issue. Better coaches would be getting more from this D. Should be at least…
Congrats though on figuring out how to stop teams for two drives in the fourth quarter. Do that for 5 consecutive games and we’re on to something. -
Hoping that this translates to a more experienced above “average” D next year!dnc said:
Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.Kingdome_Urinals said:Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers. -
Depends on our defensive coaching staff next yeardirtysouwfdawg said:
Hoping that this translates to a more experienced above “average” D next year!dnc said:
Brock made an interesting point last week. He said one of the reasons the defense is so good late is that our defense rotates liberally, this keeps everyone fresh for late in the games. I don't like the deep rotations strategy generally but if this is actually the cause of them being so good late I might be able to get on bored with it.Kingdome_Urinals said:Defense is pretty bad with flashes of being good. Getting gashed by Utah at home has no silver lining.
The best you can say about them is that they actually do adjust and play hard to the end. This is a reflection of the head coach.
The most brutal aspect of the defense is the lack of sideline to sideline speed amongst the linebackers. -
Watching Jackson, he’s either lacking speed or athleticism or both. He gives way too much cushion and when he comes up to make a tackle he looks like a fucking retard and he can’t break down to get solid contact.
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Yeah he just sucks at playing football really. He's pretty much a guaranteed miss coming downhill in the open field. He does have decent coverage at times but is so inept at playing the ball that it doesn't matter.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:Watching Jackson, he’s either lacking speed or athleticism or both. He gives way too much cushion and when he comes up to make a tackle he looks like a fucking retard and he can’t break down to get solid contact.
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What’s the deal with Asa? He gonna play again in the regular season ?
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We have had two years for a safety to demonstrate that they are good. Hampton is improved but very avg since he doesn't recognize things fast enough to make negative plays. It hasn't happened and that is morrel's position group.chuck said:
Yeah he just sucks at playing football really. He's pretty much a guaranteed miss coming downhill in the open field. He does have decent coverage at times but is so inept at playing the ball that it doesn't matter.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:Watching Jackson, he’s either lacking speed or athleticism or both. He gives way too much cushion and when he comes up to make a tackle he looks like a fucking retard and he can’t break down to get solid contact.
There aren't very many good players on the defense. That's a big part of why it is what it is. How blame for lack of talent gets assigned is another discussion.
I don't think he calls a particularly good game or teaches great technique or attracts great talent. We can do better. The last 3 games have been extremely disappointing by the defense.
